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To: whattajoke
Can we please add "Evolution = Communism" to that rule (I forget the guy's name) wherein if someone brings up Hitler they thereby lose said argument? So tiresome.

Not a bad idea, but they wouldn't get it. By the way, have you ever noticed that the evolution side of the debate, being the rational and mature side, never says equally idiotic things, such as: "Creationism = kiddy porn". (I've been tempted, but hey, there's no sport in kicking cripples.)

301 posted on 10/18/2002 12:47:27 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry; whattajoke

According to ID logic the conclusion is obvious: The Communists were right. Complex modern economies must be designed; they cannot evolve on their own from simpler beginnings.

253 posted on 10/18/02 1:54 AM Central by jennyp


Intelligent Design is to biology what Communism is to economics.

Think about it. Meditate on it. Turn it over & over in your head. But let me step out of the room first to avoid the shockwave...

255 posted on 10/18/02 2:15 AM Central by jennyp


Quoting the NY Times now? How can you claim to like their science without liking their politics, or are you also a communist?

298 posted on 10/18/02 2:14 PM Central by nanrod


Can we please add "Evolution = Communism" to that rule (I forget the guy's name) wherein if someone brings up Hitler they thereby lose said argument? So tiresome.

300 posted on 10/18/02 2:40 PM Central by whattajoke


304 posted on 10/18/2002 1:22:29 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: PatrickHenry
it. By the way, have you ever noticed that the evolution side of the debate, being the rational and mature side, never says equally idiotic things, such as: "Creationism = kiddy porn".

That evolution and Communism are tightly joined ideologically is beyond doubt. Marx was so impressed with the Origin that he wanted to dedicate it to Darwin. The reasons for it are abundantly shown in the paragraph below:

When Marx read the Origin, he enthusiastically declared it to be "a basis in natural science for the class struggle in history". In 1873 he sent a copy of the second edition of Das Kapital to Darwin, who politely acknowledged the gift. "Though our studies have been so different, I believe that we both earnestly desire the extension of knowledge; and this, in the long run, is sure to add to the happiness of mankind." If Darwin had not the least idea of what Marx was up to or what they might have in common, Marx knew precisely what he valued in Darwin. Recommending the Origin to Lasalle, he explained that "despite all deficiencies not only is the death-blow dealt here for the first time to teleology in the natural sciences, but their rational meaning is empirically examined." The other reason for his interest in the Origin emerged in Das Kapital, where he complained of the abstract materialism of most natural science, "a materialism that excludes history and its process." It was his hope that by focusing attention on change and development, the Origin would destroy both the olf-fashioned supernaturalism and the equally old-fashoned materialism.
From: Gertrude Himmelfarb "Darwin and the Darwinian Evolution", page 421.

Another way to put the above is that Marx himself viewed evolution as the basis for scientific materialism.

364 posted on 10/19/2002 8:41:08 AM PDT by gore3000
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