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Real Snipers Don't Brag About Name
Associated Press ^ | Monday, October 14, 2002 | ALLEN G. BREED

Posted on 10/14/2002 4:10:31 PM PDT by Dog Gone

They look through a cylinder of glass and metal at a distant target, knowing they are about to snuff out a life. They don't brag about their kills over beer, nor do they overly brood about them. They take life only to save other lives.

To them, the word ``sniper'' is a badge of honor and a hallmark of skill. And to them, whoever has been terrorizing the Washington area for the last two weeks is not worthy of the name.

``I definitely know they're not snipers, because snipers don't take innocent life,'' said Neil Morris, who spent nearly two decades as a Marine sniper and has trained countless military and police sharpshooters from around the world. ``It's the most sane, hardworking, dedicated group of people you'd ever meet in your life. And without us, there'd be a whole lot more harm in this world than there already is.''

Police are looking for any leads that might point to the person or people responsible for a string of 10 shootings, eight of them fatal, in Maryland and northern Virginia since Oct. 2. The FBI has reportedly asked the Defense Department to search their records from the sniper school at Fort Bragg, N.C., for rejected applicants or former students with psychological problems.

Eric Haney, who trained as a sniper at Fort Bragg and was a founding member of the Army's ultrasecret Delta Force, believes the shootings are the work of a pair of young men, working in tandem as military snipers are trained to do -- one as the lookout, the other the shooter. But he thinks the closest they got to a real elite sharpshooter was at a Special Operations convention.

``They're utter losers, and they know they're losers,'' said Haney, who wrote a book, ``Inside Delta Force.''

Over the weekend, Haney visited nine of the 10 shooting scenes. He imagines a shooter and a spotter/driver, perhaps swapping roles after each shot. In his mind, the driver surveys the scene, tells the shooter when it is safe to fire, then pulls away calmly, unburdened by the rush of adrenaline the shooter must be experiencing.

They're clever, he said, but not pros. The longest shot to date was 100 yards, and most of the victims were standing still or walking in a straight line toward or away from the shooter.

``It's the kind of thing that if you've never shot a rifle before in your life, you and I could spend 90 minutes together and you can do this,'' said Haney, a 20-year combat veteran.

Morris said the fact that the killer left behind a shell casing and a fortune-telling card is a clear sign that this is no professional.

``Anything the sniper does or fails to do that give his position away to the threat, snipers don't do that,'' said Morris, former head of the Marine Corps sniper school at Quantico, Va. ``They don't leave brass laying around, and they damn sure don't leave tarot cards.''

Chuck Mawhinney agrees.

During nearly two years as a Marine sniper in Vietnam, Mawhinney had 103 confirmed kills and another 216 probables. No other Marine sniper in Vietnam had more confirmed kills of Viet Cong and North Vietnamese army regulars.

The Washington killer has been using a .223 caliber projectile, which some have called a standard sniper bullet. But Mawhinney, who lives in Baker City, Ore., said a professional sniper would use a heavier load, at least a .30 caliber.

There are certain guns and scopes that manufacturers will sell only to credentialed military or law enforcement shooters, Morris said.

Haney can't imagine what the Washington killer must be feeling, because he can't imagine doing what the killer is doing. In his book, Haney described feeling ``soiled and guilty'' after making a 350-yard head shot during a 1983 mission to support Marines in Beirut.

``For these bastards ... it is a game,'' he said. ``There's something so rotten in their psyche and the foundation in their humanity which is so lacking that it's a fun game.''


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1 posted on 10/14/2002 4:10:31 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
bump
2 posted on 10/14/2002 4:14:31 PM PDT by Fzob
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To: Dog Gone; *bang_list
real snipers not cowards bang
3 posted on 10/14/2002 4:40:46 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: Dog Gone
I finished Haney's book about two weeks ago (good read). Glad to see some pro's finally getting their opinions in over the media backwash.
4 posted on 10/14/2002 4:44:13 PM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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To: Dog Gone
How did this bit of sanity seep through? I'm an out-of-shape, middle-aged civilian, and I could have shot as well as this/these Beltway stain(s) with my late, lamented Mini-14 and iron sights. Sniper? Hell, I wouldn't even be up to the level of Clifford Shore's description of mere "stout-hearted, well-trained riflemen."

Gad, the clueless must now consider every pot-bellied, once-a-year, deer stand devotee a sniper, which means that the timber must have been virtually infested with "snipers" last weekend. I guess if it advances - or might advance - the confiscation agenda, then the degradation of terms is just fine.

5 posted on 10/14/2002 4:51:26 PM PDT by niteowl77
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To: Dog Gone
Haney described feeling ``soiled and guilty'' after making a 350-yard head shot during a 1983 mission to support Marines in Beirut

Yikes.... nice varmint hunt.. 350 yrd head shot. It's nice to have men like this on our side.

6 posted on 10/14/2002 4:57:50 PM PDT by Dick Vomer
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To: Dog Gone
Well, all's fair in war, but I'm sure the North Vietnamese regulars and the Viet Cong had a different opinion of the US snipers. In fact, during WWII, US soldiers occasionally executed German snipers when they caught them.
7 posted on 10/14/2002 4:58:10 PM PDT by proxy_user
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The Washington killer has been using a .223 caliber projectile, which some have called a standard sniper bullet. But Mawhinney, who lives in Baker City, Ore., said a professional sniper would use a heavier load, at least a .30 caliber.

Absolutely ... and a professional shooter would also be more likely prefer to use a bolt action piece such as a Model 70 or an '03, for instance, because they're so much more accurate than using a semi-automatic rifle such as the M15, or even an M-1.

8 posted on 10/14/2002 5:23:28 PM PDT by RedsHunter
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To: Dog Gone
Sanity bump.
9 posted on 10/14/2002 6:06:47 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Dog Gone
"...because snipers don't take innocent life"

Someone forgot to tell that to Lon Horiuchi.

10 posted on 10/14/2002 6:07:25 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte
Good point,........alibi anybody?
11 posted on 10/14/2002 6:12:40 PM PDT by Cvengr
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To: Dog Gone; Squantos
DG,glad you posted this.

I hadn't seen anything involved in these murders that any number of people couldn't pull off.

Many American teens or reasonably short term shooters have the ability to make these shots,even if we discover in the end that it is a "pro".

In my experience over the years,true hunters,teens included,are not the types that kill for "thrill or fun".

The nuts that kill for no reason are often the wannabe hunter or military types.They're the same kinds that are thrilled by inflicting pain on animals or humans for no reason.

I still wouldn't rule out an individual or group trying to harm our Nation for whatever "cause" they support by any means and in my own mind think that's most likely at this time.

12 posted on 10/14/2002 6:40:07 PM PDT by Free Trapper
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To: Free Trapper
I think we're witnessing the lone angry person, and have thought so from the start. I'd be shocked if this is a pro.

He's a decent shot, but they are not hard shots to make. Where he is clever is making sure that he's not noticeable before the shot is fired.

13 posted on 10/14/2002 6:49:35 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Free Trapper
Hard to say who or what kind of critter would conduct such an atrocity on innocent folks......... We have read a gazillion possibilities here on FR. Some from viable sources and alot that are bizare yet IMHO nothing is too bizare to not check, consider or investigate. This killer has to be caught fast .....

Stay Safe !

14 posted on 10/14/2002 6:53:35 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: Bonaparte
"Someone forgot to tell that to Lon Horiuchi.

That puke was an FBI shooter...a killer of unarmed and unthreating mother holding a baby.
And Diane FineSwine - Senator of California - defended him.
Semper Fi

15 posted on 10/14/2002 6:55:47 PM PDT by river rat
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To: Dog Gone
At the core, it's still the Corps

Encouraging to see the caliber of folks the Corps is still able to attract and retain.

Semper Fi
16 posted on 10/14/2002 7:02:14 PM PDT by river rat
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To: RedsHunter
.338 lapua magnum

hehe, now THAT'S a sniper round.
17 posted on 10/14/2002 7:09:33 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Dog Gone
He might be a homegrown nutcase but even one of our own nuts could take up the Islamic "cause" on his own.I,m thinking about the kid that crashed the plane in Florida and the guy with the shotgun that jammed or he most likely shortshucked in one of the Southern airports.

If a terrorist was cut off from his support group,these shootings would be cheap to carry out and could be easily planned and carried out by one or two.

I've been expecting sniper shootings for some time by the terrorists instead of the constant suicide acts.They must be able to count and see that they need everyone of them to carry out more than one attack,or they'll shortly run out of pawns.

That said,yes,we have plenty of just plain crazies that could be doing this.

18 posted on 10/14/2002 7:13:17 PM PDT by Free Trapper
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To: Dog Gone
I am expecting it to be home grown. I keep thinking of McVeigh and his mideast contacts. This could be something similar. An aryan nation type, fantacizing about being Al Qaeda.

It could be a simple nutball, but if its two people working together, that suggests a particular kind of nutball.
19 posted on 10/15/2002 6:49:48 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron
The media acts like that is so strange, but Nichols and McVeigh worked together. So did Bonnie and Clyde. It's not unheard of.
20 posted on 10/15/2002 6:59:59 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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