Stay safe,
Posted on 10/11/2002 1:40:39 PM PDT by LSUfan
I'm watching this sniper coverage on the cable networks and everyone is so sure that this is a nut of some sort: a gun nut, a military nut, a serial killer, etc.
But we have evidence to indicate that there is more than one. Two nuts? The President of the Marine Scout Sniper Assoc was just on MSNBC and said that he is sure that the shooter isn't alone because he doubts that anyone could stalk, lay-up, take the shot, egress and just drive off in his minivan.
So now they have all the wonderful psychological profilers on...including some 300 lb private detective...and they are all talking about this like these guys are deranged or disturbed. They all refer to "spree" killers and "serial" killers.
Excuse me, but I'd like to see the list of serial killing TEAMS in American history! And I'd like to learn more about the spree killers who take 10 shots, get 10 kills, including one within 50 yards of a state trooper in plain sight and then vanish without a trace.
These guys have training, motivation, and resources and they are operating as a team. The fact that they shot with the cop right there tells me they were totally confident. I believe they plan these like operations, script them, rehearse them, conduct recons and then execute them LIKE OPERATIONS.
Who does that sound like to you?
Why isn't the media even thinking about the Islamic terrorism angle?
Also: this sniper was taking a big chance with daylight attacks in an urban environment, including one with a cop in plain sight. That (to me) implies that he has area security and avenues of egress and methods of egress covered. That's a lot easier to do in a daylight urban scenario if you have a team, as opposed to a lone gunman.
The fact that these attacks occurred just as the tanker was blown up in Yemen also makes me suspicious. Not to mention the 1 year anniversary of Enduring Freedom.
Just talked to a close friend who is with a DC think tank and is also a retired Col. of Marines. He is tuned in to law enforcement in the DC area as well as he is also a director of a company that sells computer equipment designed for tactical and security use. He has personal and professional contacts with law enforcement in the DC area. Also, his wife was two blocks away from one of the shootings when it happened, and in fact when he heard that a woman in her 30s had been killed in that particular spot while vacuuming her vehicle, he was extremely worried, because that fit her description. He couldn't reach her by phone for a good 15 minutes.
In general: it should be remembered that the month of October was the month in which Sheikh Omar Abdel al-Rahman, OBL's favorite mullah, and a top OBL lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahiri, were convicted in connection with the 1993 World Trade Center bombing. Also, October was the month in which we started our assault on the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan.
These aren't some bad militia boys who got into some bad moonshine...these guys aren't shooting up the countryside. They're likely conducting recon, setting up their shots and bugging out to live to do it again. My friend tells me that terrorism is definitely on everyone's lips and minds and that the Feds have involved in this out the ying yang from the get go...BATF, FBI...even Secret Service because of the proximity to DC.
My buddy points out that Al Qaeda said specifically that it would target schools, so this might be the start of something.
GET THIS:
Two of the shots were HEAD SHOTS at a moving target at 150 meters. While a tourso shot at 150 meters is not a terribly hard shot for someone with training, a HEAD SHOT at 150 meters on a moving target would be a virtually impossible shot for a nut with no training. Next time you go to the gun show, take a look at the guy to your left and the guy to your right. Chances are, unless they grew up hunting or were in the military, you'd be pretty safe if they took a shot at you at 150yds while you were moving. Hint: Marines qualify out to the 500 yard line with the M16A2. That is what training will do. I qualified expert and am still an avid shooter today. I shoot a heavy barrel AR15A2 in 5.56mm and a National Match M1A in 7.62 NATO. I am NOT at all confident that I could get a head shot on a moving target at 150 meters. In fact...I would not even try. I would shoot center of mass. What all this indicates is a very highly trained shooter with good gear and most likely a spotter.
And GET THIS as well:
My buddy tells me that the FBI al Qaeda profilers have been predicting some sort of random attack as a contrast to 9-11. Something that sends the message: "no one anywhere is safe from us." al Qaeda has specifically said that they have the right to kill hundreds of thousands of "American children." This fits in with the critique of the al Qaeda training video that came out not long ago.
Here is another coincidence (?): In his Oct 4th column, Bill Gertz of the Washington Times said: "U.S. intelligence agencies received reports this week indicating Islamic terrorists have targeted American schools for attack, intelligence officials said. The reports indicate that the targeting includes plans to attack all levels of educational institutions in the United States, ranging from elementary schools to colleges and universities, said officials familiar with the reports." One of the victims was a 13 year old schoolboy.
Now REALLY GET THIS:
In the public release, law enforecemnt has not mentioned any race or ethnicity of the perps. But the unclassified bulletin that is being circulated by the Feds describes says that one of the local deputies got a description of two "Hispanics" but the feds think the guy just profiled them as Hispanics from law enforcement experience and that the two could easily be Middle Eastern. My buddy did not know if the deputy saw the perps himself or took a description from witnesses. The original vehicle was described as a white delivery van and today the suspect vehicle was a white Chevy Astro Van (but if these guys are pros like everyone thinks, neither vehicle will be showing up again).
A few more interesting insights from my friend:
The killer (or killers) must have felt secure in his surroundings. Most of the killings happened on or near busy main avenues during rush hour.
To say nothing of the fact that the region is crawling with law enforcement of every kind, being so close to the nation's capital.
Obviously it's someone who has murdered before or has been trained and conditioned to kill people. My buddy doubts many first-time killers, to say nothing of social outcasts or sickos, would have the nerve to kill with a single shot, then drive to another location within a half-hour, then kill again with another single shot.
Notably, all the areas of the killings are highly integrated racially. Had the killings been two miles west or south, they would have been in practically all-white or all-black neighborhoods, respectively, so a non-white/non-black killer (i.e., Middle Eastern) would not have been noticed in the areas in question.
Finally, the coincidental timing of these two incidents is another reason to suspect al Qaeda terrorism. Blow up a ship at the same time they're plinking away at innocent civilians...
If they haven't already done so, the cops and Feds need to bring in some guys from the Scout-Sniper School in Quantico to analyze this thing. Most law enforcement snipers don't think like the guys who did these horrible acts. And street cops certainly do not. The best way to get a sniper is with another sniper. The Marine snipers are the best in the world.
You left out the reason why he said that. The shooter would have such an adrenolin rush from the kill that his heart would be racing and it would be unlikely that the perp could drive without getting into an accident or doing something noticeable that would get him pulled over. When your heart is racing 180 beats/min and your body is shaking, you are not going to smoothly drive at 30 mph.
They didn't shoot last weekend. If they don't shoot this weekend, we can be pretty sure they are teens and can't go "hunting" when mommy and daddy are home.
One is an adequate, but not great shot. He made the first 6 head shot kills. If he was a great shot he would have been doing the shooting from 500 or 600 yards, not 150, or he would have gotten fancy, shooting them in the ear or eye. Then the two switched, and the former driver started to shoot. He is a truly rotten shot and has made the two wounding body shots. Now the adequate shooter is back on the gun. If there is a third guy, you can bet on him videotaping the whole thing so they can relive it. They have been watching the TV coverage and watching horror movies, hence the Tarot Card.
If these guys were terorists instead of thrill killers, they would have kept the good shooter on the gun and the other driving instead of switching off.
The police are making a possible mistake in saying this is a rifle. There are a number of Varmit Pistols available in .223 that are capable of making head shots at 400 yards. They are not pistols you can carry under your jacket, but they will fit nicely in a briefcase. There is no assurance of the snipers carrying around a rifle or long gun case.
This kind of sniping requires little skill. To shoot a specific person requires stalking skills to find a safe spot to shoot from and set up on the victim. These two only have to drive around until they find a secluded spot where they can see a place with foot traffic. They then set up and wait to shoot anyone who wanders by.
They have shown none of the talents of even a rudimentarily trained sniper, or even of basic military training. They are just scumbags trying to be famous, like the kid who flew a small plane into a building after 9/11
So9
Stay safe,
Were they real people? I was under the impression they were fictional characters.
Perhaps this is a test of how effective the tactic could be. Maybe in another week, the sniper will write up a "lessons learned" paper, type up a new chapter in the terrorist manual, and THEN we'll see 50 sniper teams throughout the US
There is so little solid information to go on, most any imagined scenario can "work". The only thing about yours is that it violates the KISS principle. The more people involved, the better chance of one of them screwing up, or just having bad luck.
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