Glocks Break, Deputies Allowed To Carry Personal Guns: 2,000 Handguns Need Inspections

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[chance33_98]

Glocks Break, Deputies Allowed To Carry Personal Guns
2,000 Handguns Need Inspections, Officials Say

POSTED: 9:00 a.m. MDT October 9, 2002

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. -- The Bernalillo County Sheriff's Department has discovered a problem with its new Glock .40-caliber semiautomatic handguns.

Deputy Robert Ray, an armorer who runs the department's shooting range, said the department scrambled to inspect all of its Glocks Monday after two weapons broke. The inspection turned up two more broken guns.

Ray said that on some newer versions of the gun, two pieces of steel in the lower portion of the weapon were improperly machined. Those pieces may be prone to breaking under the stress of repeated firing.

He said that if the pieces do break, an affected gun may fire only one shot before malfunctioning.

Sheriff Joe Bowdich signed a special order Tuesday allowing deputies to temporarily carry their personal handguns, as long as they meet specific requirements.

Bowdich said Glock promised to provide the parts needed to fix the guns by next Wednesday.

[sharktrager]

If it was the APD this would be very serious. They kinda have that shoot first, notice the guy is unarmed second, thing going.

[Arkinsaw]

I prefer a Model 1911.

[Mo1]

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[LibKill]

I prefer a Model 1911.

I second that opinion.

Other guns come and go, but the mighty .45 has lasted nearly 100 years.

[glock rocks]

glock rail malfunction. you have freepmail.

[SirFishalot]

1911, 100 years strong, and face it, the gun model has been winning shooting championships over all that time, even now.

[lelio]

I have to put a new firing pin into my Glock 21 (full sized 45). Sometimes 30% of my shots go unfired, looking at the primer you can see there is just a small dimple on there. Hopefully it isn't hard to replace. Around 2500 shots have gone through it so I'm happy.

[rellimpank]

--after you do about fifteen hundred dollars worth of improvements to it or buy one of the custom jobs for a couple thousand--

[Squantos]

I was a there when they got the glocks.... Everybody got real glassy eyed and tunnel vison for the new and improved and I suspect that is what they are doing now. Lusting after something "new". I didn't have a problem though as I was a reserve deputy when they got em and I was allowed to keep my SIG 220 for carry till I went full time for a while after I retired from USAF.

Glock is a fine firearm. I have a "few" and have thousands of rounds through em. Deputies from Bernillio County don't exactly put as many rounds through theirs IMO as I remember being pretty lonely on the firing range up on the west mesa.....

As your aware I carry a 1911A1 meltdown but have been smitten with a SIG 239 in .357SIG of late. Albeit against the JC teachings of any caliber that begins with a 4 or better rule.... but as ya know that little SIG is an awesome CHL piece.

Real suprised Joe Bowdich is still employed though. Guess it takes a criminal to catch criminals still....:o)

Stay Safe , Armed and CYA GR !!

[Ford Fairlane]

Check the firing pin spring first. It could be broken, but it is probably just dirty. The pin itself shouldn't be worn out after just 2500 rounds.

[xsrdx]

--after you do about fifteen hundred dollars worth of improvements to it or buy one of the custom jobs for a couple thousand--

BINGO.

It's not by accident that the FBI Springfield TRP costs $2395- the production gun won't meet the standard.

The Glock 23's the FBI buys are all the same production $550 guns you can buy at the local gun store.

This was a manufacturing defect, not a flaw with the design or the gun, but as soon as somebody yells " My Glock broke", the 1911 crowd rushes in to make sure everybody notices.

[xsrdx]

John Browning Bump

[KneelBeforeZod]

lets get a good battle going. Glock v 1911 and Mac v Windows.

Wildcards (to be used as reinforcements for first team to take heavy losses): Linux and Browning High Power crews.

any event suggestions? I'm thinking a fight with manure filled socks.

[xsrdx]

I'm thinking a fight with manure filled socks.

LOL, the image that comes to mind is the epic battle scene in Braveheart.

Replace the short swords, battle axes and mallets with socks full of manure, overripe tomatoes and rotten eggs, and have at it.

ARRRGHHHHHH!

[Fletcher J]

I was just in a shooting class with a couple of FBI agents shooting the new TRP. It's a nice 1911. Interestingly, they said it was made to work exclusively with the Remington "Golden Saber" hollowpoint. The FBI guys shot thousands of rounds of Golden Saber at practice targets over the three days...

The TRP is built pretty tight for accuracy purposes. Because of this, they would start to jam late in the day when they started getting dirty. A quick wipe-down and a few drops of oil seemed to resolve the issue.

Of course, this would only become an issue in a combat situation if the firefight lasted all day and a thousand rounds or so... :)

In my opinion, the TRP isn't worth $2400, even if it is government (our) money. If it were my call, I'd buy them a $600 Kimber and 3 additional pistol training classes at $600 each.

BTW, the FBI agents were good guys and good shooters. The TRP has a STRONG ejector, and the agent who stood to the left of me on the firing line for three days just about gave me brain damage from flying brass. Here's hoping that they have a chance to hurt the bad guys with them more than they did me...

[fourdeuce82d]

I'm a 1911 guy by preference, but I inherited my dad's glock19 when he died- neat little gun, never had a problem.

I have heard that hot .40s can break/KaBoom the midsize Glocks- kinda hard to believe- they have a reputation for rock solid reliability...anybody w/personal experience?

[xsrdx]

I have heard that hot .40s can break/KaBoom

If you're interested, visit Glock Talk and do a search on "Kb" or Kaboom.

This is a HUGELY controversial and hotly debated topic.

My personal feeling is that most Glock Kb's are the result of using lead bullets, or careless handloading. All guns can "Kb", but it seems the Glock phenomenon has it's own little dedicated following.

The 40S&W is a high pressure cartridge and leaves little room for error.

[TEXASPROUD]

Agree on a couple of points Sig 220 is a great .45 ACP. Got an extra barrel for my Model 23 .40 S&W. The second barrel is in .357 Sig and it is impressive. I consider Texas DPS went to this round and are very happy campers about it. I've seen some of the reports from Southwest Forensics at the medical school, .357 Sig is outstanding.
Keep your powder dry

[glock rocks]

i got called out before i was able to send the advertised freepmail to you. it's there now.