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Maryland Sniper Shootings-FR Commentary
Fox News, CNN | October 10, 2002 | Fox News, CNN, Press Releases

Posted on 10/10/2002 2:15:12 AM PDT by Peach

To avoid multiple vanity threads regarding any news that comes from press conferences, let's keep a live commentary thread going again today.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Maryland; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; maryland; sniper; virginia
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To: Sacajaweau
The second one would probably use the same, just to throw people like you off the scent!!!
141 posted on 10/10/2002 7:04:04 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: Peach
In that pic, there is another man approaching victim. Patches on shirt of man approaching victim looks like cop or gas station attendant, although when was the last time we saw a gas station attendant outside helping customers?

As others noticed on that thread, those pictures were taken AFTER the shooting. You can't see the victim, who was wedged between the car and the pump, but you can see a stream of blood under the front tires. There is also a police vehicle behind the car, at the left of one of the pictures. The males in the picture are LEO's -- one uninformed, one plain-clothes.

142 posted on 10/10/2002 7:04:50 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: RJayneJ
Perhaps it was 9 crazed Islamic snipers snipers working in conjuction!!!
143 posted on 10/10/2002 7:06:13 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: All
People who are shopping, filling up their car or going to school are on a "mission" and pretty much ignore things around them....

It takes a little time for something like a "shot" to register. By the time we figure it out, I'll betcha it's a couple of minutes.

With the cover of the greenspaces around these areas, the shooter merely moves "totally" behind his screen after the hit, places his weapon in a backpack and walks away to the NEXT parking lot over to a waiting vehicle OR just keeps on walking.

What we can guess is that he has been to all the sites before and we should start prodding the public (like a groundskeepers)about someone unusual in the area...perhaps a few weeks back.

144 posted on 10/10/2002 7:07:22 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: concerned about politics
Don't worry, Steve and gang don't know any more than CNN, and they are, unfortunately, asking the same questions. There's no new questions any press can ask. Fox is more entertaining tho.
145 posted on 10/10/2002 7:08:53 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: nicks bad seed
First of all, I said I was speculating. Second of all I was thinking more of the extremist types and I apologize for not being more specific. If you are trying to accuse me of being a racist or xenophobic, that's not me. In fact I just hired a Muslim over a non-Muslim not because of religion or race, but because of qualifications and experience.
146 posted on 10/10/2002 7:12:18 AM PDT by Woodman
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To: stuartcr
How does a truck get hit with bird shot in city limits?
147 posted on 10/10/2002 7:13:02 AM PDT by conservativejunkie
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To: conservativejunkie
I guess by a gun that shoots bird shot. What caliber are we talking about, .22 or all the way to shotgun?
148 posted on 10/10/2002 7:15:35 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: Dog
Better watch what you say. I suggested that is was an enemy soldier, and almost got flamed off the planet.

He is using military tactics, and is doing a pretty good job of running a small, protracted guerrilla war.

And have you noticed how the press (and everyone else) is so quick to say that it's just some lunatic? A lunatic would've already slipped up, a trained proffesional would not.
149 posted on 10/10/2002 7:16:56 AM PDT by walkingdead
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To: John H K
I will predict that within the next week there will be a press release and media campaign from PETA requesting that all hunting seasons in Maryland and VA this Fall be closed

Speaking of PETA, there was an interesting tidbit in the WP this morning, about a tarot card left at a past shooting:

A tarot card was also left by John Linley Frazier, who killed a prominent Santa Cruz County, Calif., ophthalmologist, his wife, two sons and secretary at the family residence in 1970. Frazier, who considered himself an ecologist, also tucked a note for the media and police under the windshield wipers of the family's Rolls-Royce.

The note declared World War III against "misuses" of the "natural environment." Although the differences between the cases are obvious -- Frazier bound his victims, argued with them and shot them up close with a handgun before leaving behind fingerprints on the Rolls-Royce -- experts declined to speculate on similarities."

The perp might just be into head games with this one, but three of the shootings were at gas stations, and two were at Michael's, which is owned by a member of the Wyly family, who control Green Mountain.com, an energy comany which is currently being boycotted by environmental fringe groups. This theme doesn't jive with the other shootings, but I'd be giving the ELF roster a hard look, just the same. The suggestion that this is an environmental whacko would probably be studiously avoided by Maryland politicos, I'd assume.

150 posted on 10/10/2002 7:18:49 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: stuartcr
I don't know anything about guns but there was another story about a truck window being shot out on a highwasy and the leo said it was bird shot. If it was in city limits then I would like to know why someone was hunting dove in the city.
151 posted on 10/10/2002 7:19:02 AM PDT by conservativejunkie
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
Beginning to look like Orion.
152 posted on 10/10/2002 7:19:56 AM PDT by js1138
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To: nicks bad seed
Hey, I remember you. You almost had a heart attack when I said this was an enemy soldier. How are you doing this morning?

Well, what say you now? Still some crazed waco with a gun? Pretty proffesional for that, usually crazies slip by now.
153 posted on 10/10/2002 7:20:24 AM PDT by walkingdead
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To: Dog
Travis ....I sense this guy is using military tactics....if this latest shooting is his work.....he just expanded the area the LEO's need to protect... While everyone was watching the right flank ....he hit on the left flank.

I think the next one will be near the cluster. After that, he/they will probably want to get out of town again. They haven't gone up 270 yet towards Frederick. I checked the map and there are several possible places he/they could exit 270 but I think two are most likely.

The first is on State Highway 27 near Germantown. It is consistent with the other distances away from the cluster, it would be a new area, it has a shopping center with a Michaels near the highway and two parks nearby.

The second possibility is farther North in Frederick. Same layout - Right off Interstate, shopping center with Michaels, new area, Monocacy Battlefield Park and train tracks right next to the shopping center. The distance from the cluster looks to be about 25 miles or so, which is more consistent with the Manassas and Fredericksburg shootings than the Germantown location.

This, of course, is just speculation, but after my Tuesday prediction that they would go West, I feel I need to post.

154 posted on 10/10/2002 7:20:57 AM PDT by Pete
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To: conservativejunkie
Maybe they were just hunting auto windows.
155 posted on 10/10/2002 7:23:24 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: All
Think these guys are listening to a police radio??

Sac

156 posted on 10/10/2002 7:23:32 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Peach
Re. Moose and WUSA...

I called WUSA yesterday (Wednesday) morning after the morning news conference. I couldn't believe the way that they were handling their card scoop. Just after Moose let them have it, they continued to tease the card story.

Can you believe the WUSA "manager's" response when I insisted that they should back off and not interfere with the police investigation? She said, "What about Richard Nixon?"

amazing.

Later in the day... at the afternoon news on WUSA - the brought in their left-wing news hero : Daniel Shorr (NPR) live by phone. I guess WUSA figured they could save face a little bit. But NO! Much to my surprise, Shorr let them have it, too! He said they went too far and should not have run the story.

That was an interesting day for me.

Russ

157 posted on 10/10/2002 7:23:47 AM PDT by kinsman redeemer
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Second Amendment Alert
158 posted on 10/10/2002 7:24:45 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: walkingdead
The only crazies that slip up by now, are the ones that got caught. There are many unsolved crimes on the books throughout the country.
159 posted on 10/10/2002 7:24:49 AM PDT by stuartcr
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To: Sacajaweau
Yes...this perp has been studying all of his "sites" for a period of time...he may even look like a "bird watcher" with binoculars wandering near neighborhoods...or even as a "suryeyor" with a "scope"...just blends in...and is really scoping out "un-obstructed paths from point "A" to point "B". Might even be using a TERRA Map service...and then drives out to investigate and confirm with a visual inspection.

The sniper has engaged in a game...the part he enjoys the MOST is the "ritual" prior to the shooting...he is very organized and sees his "ritual" as confimation of his superior intelligence...the END RESULT isn't the death or maiming...the RESULT he is striving for is the media and police reaction...BECAUSE if he were really out to KILL people as his primary goal...he would fire two or MORE shots...or use a more powerful weapon.

It is a deadly game...and it will only stop when he becomes the loser...he will most likely take his life when surrounded, because he will NOT want to be the loser or be held accountable and "let" the police win.

160 posted on 10/10/2002 7:24:51 AM PDT by antivenom
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