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The attack on evolution
The Economist ^

Posted on 10/07/2002 12:44:39 PM PDT by wallcrawlr

A suburban school board declares that evolution is just another theory

NEWT GINGRICH, while he was a Georgia congressman and then as speaker of the House, was known for his interest in scientific research. Some Georgians prefer a different approach. On September 26th the school board of Cobb County, in the north-western Atlanta suburbs, voted to amend existing policy to allow discussion of “disputed views of academic subjects”, specifically the idea that God created the universe in six days—Charles Darwin, Stephen Jay Gould and the rest of them be damned.

The vote came after a month of deliberation, at a meeting crowded with concerned parents. Some 2,000 of the county's residents signed a petition last spring to have the board put stickers on biology textbooks telling students that evolution is a theory, not a fact. “What they're trying to do is appease the religious right,” says Michael Manely, the lawyer representing a local parent who wanted the stickers removed.

The war between creationists and evolutionists had recently fallen quiet. In 1999, the Kansas state board of education dropped evolution from state examinations; but by 2001 the three most prominent anti-evolutionists had been voted out of office, and the decision quietly reversed. Of late, the Christian right has focused on other topics. But the anti-evolutionists' victory in Cobb County may stimulate similar-minded people elsewhere. In Ohio, the state board of education is under pressure to include “intelligent design”—the idea that the complexity of the universe proves the existence of the divine—when it issues a new science curriculum.

Cobb County's new policy argues that providing information on “disputed views” is “necessary for a balanced education” and will help to promote “acceptance of diversity of opinion”. A poll commissioned in 2000 by People for the American Way, a liberal-minded group, shows that many Americans think this way. Nearly half of the respondents believed that the theory of evolution had not yet been proved. And of those who believe in evolution—only a fifth wanted evolution taught alone—three-quarters liberally agreed that students should be presented with “all points of view” and “make up their own minds”. In this post-modern reasoning, evolution and the Book of Genesis are equally valid.

The losers have already begun worrying aloud that this will hurt Cobb County's reputation as a place where children can get a good education. Cobb's schools consistently rank above the state average, which is not saying much. But what happens if superior schools insist that previously accepted facts have become mere theory? No comment from Mr Gingrich, who now lives in Virginia.


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To: Dimensio

As I see it, evolution is an ideological doctrine. If it were only a "scientific theory", it would have died a natural death 50 - 70 years ago; the evidence against it is too overwhelming and has been all along. The people defending it are doing so because they do not like the alternatives to an atheistic basis for science and do not like the logical implications of abandoning their atheistic paradigm and, in conducting themselves that way, they have achieved a degree of immunity to what most people call logic.

488 posted on 7/29/02 5:18 AM Pacific by medved

Main Entry: log·ic

Pronunciation: 'lä-jik Function: noun

Etymology: Middle English logik, from Middle French logique, from Latin logica, from Greek logikE, from feminine of logikos of reason, from logos reason -- more at LEGEND

Date: 12th century

1 a

(1) : a science that deals with the principles and criteria of validity of inference and demonstration : the science of the formal principles of reasoning

(2) : a branch or variety of logic

(3) : a branch of semiotic; especially : SYNTACTICS

(4) : the formal principles of a branch of knowledge

b (1) : a particular mode of reasoning viewed as valid or faulty

(2) : RELEVANCE, PROPRIETY

c : interrelation or sequence of facts or events when seen as inevitable or predictable

d : the arrangement of circuit elements (as in a computer) needed for computation; also : the circuits themselves

2 : something that forces a decision apart from or in opposition to reason < the logic of war >

- lo·gi·cian /lO-'ji-sh&n/ noun

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81 posted on 10/08/2002 2:43:40 AM PDT by f.Christian
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To: FreeLibertarian
Isn't freelibertarian reduntant...think you're missing a 'k' in there!

oops...

Isn't freelibertarian redundant...think you're missing a 'k' in there!

spell check!

82 posted on 10/08/2002 2:47:58 AM PDT by f.Christian
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To: nightdriver
I don't know where the evolutionists get the idea that creationists believe that the earth was created in six days.

Believe it or not, there are some Young Earth Creationists (YECs) on these threads even now. Evolutionists don't make this stuff up.

83 posted on 10/08/2002 2:58:41 AM PDT by Junior
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To: Junior
Young Earth Creationists (YECs) on these threads even now.

Big time. Once you train yourself to ignore facts and to deny irrational conclusions, it's possible to believe the most amazing things. The bliss which comes with the abandonment of reason surpasses all understanding.

"Happiness is a no-brainer."

84 posted on 10/08/2002 3:45:20 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Once you train yourself to ignore facts and to deny irrational conclusions, it's possible to believe the most amazing things.

Yup, once you make up your mind that man arose from pond scum it is easy to believe any moronic thing such as that you can create by destroying (natural selection) and that through some sort of abracadabra shazam you can get a new species. Hey, the charlatan Darwin said so, so it must be true.

85 posted on 10/08/2002 5:07:30 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: gore3000
Ok, Ok, I know I should just ignore you, but you set yourself up in this post:

Seems you do not even know what schizophrenia is. f.christian definetely does not have a split personality. However, it is interesting that while the evolutioists claim he is writing nonsense, they seem to understand it well enough to disagree with it! Perchance you folk are not being truthful?

Ok then, firstly, we'll stop referring to f.christian as schizoprenic and just call him mentally challenged. Is that better? And since you imply that you can tune in to his wavelength, please help me out with the following oft-posted young earth/creation "science..."

Geologic columns/dating...what about the massive canyon on mars---no water/erosion! Be careful with this one.

At the Grand Canyon older sedimentary levels are at the top and the fresher/newer ones below...those straight up 'buttes' came out of hole--soft spots in the plates like cake decorations---Ayre's (sic) Rock like a bubble in a blown tire. All that erosion/sedimentary crap old age of the Earth is hooie-dooie!

There is not enough dust on the moon to support an old earth dating system! I believe even YEC's have abandoned this garbage.

Evo cargo-go cult---ufo's! hmmmm....
86 posted on 10/08/2002 6:46:41 AM PDT by whattajoke
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To: f.Christian
The Mentality of Evolution

This is the first really cogent thing you've written. I don't agree with it, but I'll have to study it.

87 posted on 10/08/2002 6:56:54 AM PDT by js1138
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To: RadioAstronomer
Hmmmm.. Are you saying all of us that argue for evolution are thugs"?

That would appear to be the case. G3k is much funnier, though, when he/she/it challenges us to "refute" f.Christian's posts.

88 posted on 10/08/2002 7:18:39 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: js1138
I don't agree with it, but I'll have to study it.

I don't think you'll end up spending much time finding the problems with it. Like all explications of the supposed statistical "impossibility" of evolution, it falls apart once you get past the mental hurdle of thinking that evolution is somehow teleological, and realize instead that it's completely open-ended...

89 posted on 10/08/2002 7:32:00 AM PDT by general_re
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To: gore3000
Seems you do not even know what schizophrenia is. f.christian definetely does not have a split persona

Try this:

Schizophrenia is a severe, chronic, and often disabling brain disease. While the term schizophrenia literally means, "split mind," it should not be confused with a "split," or multiple, personality. It is more accurately described as a psychosis -- a type of illness that causes severe mental disturbances that disrupt normal thought, speech, and behavior.

A schizophrenic person may think and communicate incoherently, jumping from one idea to another, using vague or repetitive words, or mixing a "word salad" of new words or jumbled phrases. It is common for schizophrenics to be suspicious and resentful.

I have a schizophrenic nephew. Please do not accuse me of being ignorant of the symptoms.

I do not know for a fact that f. is schizophrenic. I do know that his posts are incoherent, repetitive, and jumbled.

90 posted on 10/08/2002 8:06:03 AM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138
Evolution is a fact? Since when? Where is the Zapruder film documenting this event?

I am so sick and tired of these pseudo intellectuals parading around as experts on this science fiction know as evolution. when will the Darwinists give up?


The Brain
91 posted on 10/08/2002 8:11:54 AM PDT by matthew_the_brain
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To: js1138
Sorry. Any G3K post is authoritative, binding on all parties, final, and not subject to appeal or rational argument. G3K is the official internet spokesposter for "real" science, Catholic church doctrine, psychiatric conditions, and irritating uses of color on the internet. We know this because G3K has pronounced on the matter using irrefutable arguments. We know the arguments are irrefutable because G3K has pronounced on the matter.

I hope this helps clear up any lingering confusion on your part. I hope I do not have to post this 1720 times before it sinks in.

92 posted on 10/08/2002 8:15:50 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: matthew_the_brain
Where is the Zapruder film documenting this event?

Is that your criterion for convincing evidence?

LOL

93 posted on 10/08/2002 8:19:26 AM PDT by js1138
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To: f.Christian
Dilute! Dilute! OK!
94 posted on 10/08/2002 8:23:15 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: matthew_the_brain
when will the Darwinists give up?

Have patience. We will eventually give up on you.

95 posted on 10/08/2002 8:23:19 AM PDT by js1138
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To: js1138
Personally, I refuse to believe that crock about Columbus landing in the West Indies. No way - I want pictures and film, d*mmit...
96 posted on 10/08/2002 8:24:33 AM PDT by general_re
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To: Gumlegs
We know this because G3K has pronounced on the matter using irrefutable arguments. We know the arguments are irrefutable because G3K has pronounced on the matter.

This sounds "wildly elliptical"...... or, dare I say it, even "circular" ......

;-)

97 posted on 10/08/2002 8:32:27 AM PDT by longshadow
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To: longshadow
I believe the official Bull is that "wildly elliptical" and "circular" are one and the same. Except when they're not.

Just as any randomly chosen G3K statement and "irrefutable argument" are one and the same.

98 posted on 10/08/2002 8:40:28 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: js1138
Js, I truly enjoy your kind. It is amazing to me that you and your ilk can be duped by the fraud that Darwinism is. What makes you want to kneel at the altar of Darwin and Gould? Did public schools ruin any critical thinking skills you might have had as a child?
99 posted on 10/08/2002 8:45:56 AM PDT by matthew_the_brain
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To: matthew_the_brain
Sorry, I went to a private military school and graduated from a private, church sponsored college.
100 posted on 10/08/2002 8:51:32 AM PDT by js1138
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