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The attack on evolution
The Economist ^

Posted on 10/07/2002 12:44:39 PM PDT by wallcrawlr

A suburban school board declares that evolution is just another theory

NEWT GINGRICH, while he was a Georgia congressman and then as speaker of the House, was known for his interest in scientific research. Some Georgians prefer a different approach. On September 26th the school board of Cobb County, in the north-western Atlanta suburbs, voted to amend existing policy to allow discussion of “disputed views of academic subjects”, specifically the idea that God created the universe in six days—Charles Darwin, Stephen Jay Gould and the rest of them be damned.

The vote came after a month of deliberation, at a meeting crowded with concerned parents. Some 2,000 of the county's residents signed a petition last spring to have the board put stickers on biology textbooks telling students that evolution is a theory, not a fact. “What they're trying to do is appease the religious right,” says Michael Manely, the lawyer representing a local parent who wanted the stickers removed.

The war between creationists and evolutionists had recently fallen quiet. In 1999, the Kansas state board of education dropped evolution from state examinations; but by 2001 the three most prominent anti-evolutionists had been voted out of office, and the decision quietly reversed. Of late, the Christian right has focused on other topics. But the anti-evolutionists' victory in Cobb County may stimulate similar-minded people elsewhere. In Ohio, the state board of education is under pressure to include “intelligent design”—the idea that the complexity of the universe proves the existence of the divine—when it issues a new science curriculum.

Cobb County's new policy argues that providing information on “disputed views” is “necessary for a balanced education” and will help to promote “acceptance of diversity of opinion”. A poll commissioned in 2000 by People for the American Way, a liberal-minded group, shows that many Americans think this way. Nearly half of the respondents believed that the theory of evolution had not yet been proved. And of those who believe in evolution—only a fifth wanted evolution taught alone—three-quarters liberally agreed that students should be presented with “all points of view” and “make up their own minds”. In this post-modern reasoning, evolution and the Book of Genesis are equally valid.

The losers have already begun worrying aloud that this will hurt Cobb County's reputation as a place where children can get a good education. Cobb's schools consistently rank above the state average, which is not saying much. But what happens if superior schools insist that previously accepted facts have become mere theory? No comment from Mr Gingrich, who now lives in Virginia.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: creationism; crevolist; evolution
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To: Piltdown_Woman
We need a FReeper-evo-thug-a-thon!!!!!!!! T-shirts will be distributed! Evo-thuggers unite!

Good idea, but I need a special T-shirt. I'm inspired by this:
G3K's infamous Post 1360: "You execrable piece of lying garbage ...";.

181 posted on 10/10/2002 4:08:32 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: Piltdown_Woman; longshadow
Awwww.... I just clicked on that link and I see that the kindly mods have pulled the thread.
182 posted on 10/10/2002 4:20:47 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
Awwww.... I just clicked on that link and I see that the kindly mods have pulled the thread.

Looks to me like the funny business is starting back up.

183 posted on 10/10/2002 4:50:22 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: balrog666
First, have a successful freepathon. Then lower the ax.
184 posted on 10/10/2002 4:52:08 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: balrog666; PatrickHenry
Looks to me like the funny business is starting back up.

Huge Sigh!

185 posted on 10/10/2002 4:59:22 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: Piltdown_Woman
We need a FReeper-evo-thug-a-thon!!!!!!!! T-shirts will be distributed!

Hahahaha! Scientific thug bump!

186 posted on 10/10/2002 5:00:46 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: RadioAstronomer

Gone for the evening.
God Bless America placemarker

187 posted on 10/10/2002 6:56:58 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: PatrickHenry
"You execrable piece of lying garbage ...";.

Do you want that embroidered on the front or back of your t-shirt?

188 posted on 10/10/2002 9:09:42 PM PDT by Aracelis
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To: Piltdown_Woman
Both. And on the baseball cap. And the tote bag, the coffee mug, the mouse pad ...
189 posted on 10/11/2002 3:39:04 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: Gumlegs
No one, anywhere, is claiming there is "just randomness" in the world.

Materialists are. Evolutionists are. They claim that random chance is the creator of all things. It is ridiculous of course.

190 posted on 10/11/2002 3:49:28 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: js1138
Everything in science proceeds by speculation and verification.

You are beginning to get it!If the universe were random then science would be impossible because random events cannot be consistently verifiable. Science looks for consistency in the universe and tries to discover it. It would be impossible to find any such consistency in a random universe. Therefore the random universe proposed by materialists and evolutionists is false since we do find consistent laws working everywhere in the universe.

191 posted on 10/11/2002 3:55:21 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: js1138
For ID to have any meaning at all, you must postulate something about the designer.

ID certainly does. It postulates that the designer is intelligent. That's the only germane postulate necessary. You do not need to know the hair color of the designer to say that something has been intelligently designed.

192 posted on 10/11/2002 3:59:26 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: Piltdown_Woman; PatrickHenry
As usual the evo thugs are trying to destroy a thread in which they are losing and losing big. They are trying to destroy it with nonsense and ad hominems. And then you wonder why I call you folk the the Taliban of evolution. Thanks for proving it again.
193 posted on 10/11/2002 4:05:06 AM PDT by gore3000
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To: All

Evolution: it's the American way!
194 posted on 10/11/2002 4:12:19 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: gore3000
Me: No one, anywhere, is claiming there is "just randomness" in the world.

G3K: Materialists are. Evolutionists are. They claim that random chance is the creator of all things. It is ridiculous of course.

The only thing that is ridiculous is your claim. Back it up. Post a reference from an evolutionist claiming that "random choice is the creator of all things."

195 posted on 10/11/2002 9:05:43 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: balrog666
So you admit that you cannot experimentally disprove ID.

This was agreed to earlier precisely because it's a meaningless statement.


Malarky.  If you make a blanket statement that ID is not true and cannot disprove it then yours is a statement of belief based on faith.  Exactly the ridicule that creationists are getting from many evolutionists.

It's exactly the same as saying that we cannot experimentally disprove the idea that a giant chicken from Pasadena named Harry created the cosmos.


You are using an apples and oranges argument.  The fact that "Harry" may or may not exist does not bias evolutionary science one way or another.  OTOH, I am talking of inherent bias towards ID that evolutionary science simply cannot get around.

To put it another way, any evolutionary experiment is done as a result of intelligent design.  OTOH I know of no experiments done or influenced by your giant chicken.
196 posted on 10/11/2002 9:13:25 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: balrog666
Sorry, but even though you claim otherwise, you have yet to name even *one* experiment that was not designed.

Your back-handed reference to self-replicating protein chains was still an experiment based on design (someone had to design it) with certain assumptions made in setting up.

Try again.
197 posted on 10/11/2002 9:18:29 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
Sorry, but even though you claim otherwise, you have yet to name even *one* experiment that was not designed.

Ah, but they were "designed" to replicate natural and not artificial conditions. One can fairly accurately recreate natural conditions in this way.

198 posted on 10/11/2002 9:25:46 AM PDT by Junior
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To: Junior
Ah, but they were "designed" to replicate natural and not artificial conditions. One can fairly accurately recreate natural conditions in this way.

What evidence do you have, then, that "natural" conditions are not ID in origin?

Just because we have little or no knowledge about the designer doesn't mean there wasn't one.  Likewise, I doubt that replicated protein chains in evolutionary experiments have much knowledge of their designers either.
199 posted on 10/11/2002 10:36:05 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
Just because we have little or no knowledge about the designer doesn't mean there wasn't one.

That, in and of itself, is not a particularly good reason to believe there was a designer...

200 posted on 10/11/2002 10:56:25 AM PDT by general_re
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