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If this is not 'Planet X', what is it? (biggest solar system body found in more than 70 years)
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | October 8 2002 | By Stephen Cauchi

Posted on 10/07/2002 8:09:29 AM PDT by dead

When is a planet not a planet? That is what astronomers will be asking themselves after yesterday's announcement of the biggest planetary body discovered in the solar system in more than 70 years.

The new body, called Quaoar (pronounced Kwah-o-ar), is a round world that orbits the sun every 288 years, at a distance greater than that of any of the nine planets. At 1250 kilometres wide, it is bigger than any of the asteroids. In fact, it is bigger than all the asteroids put together.

But it is also just over half the size of the smallest planet in the solar system, Pluto, which already struggles to be classified as a planet because of its size. For that matter, it is just over a third the size of our moon. But unlike a moon, it does not orbit a planet.

So what is it? Its discoverers, Mike Brown and Chad Trujilo from the California Institute of Technology, say Quaoar (and Pluto) should be referred to as "Kuiper-belt objects".

The Kuiper belt is like the asteroid belt. But while most asteroids orbit between Mars and Jupiter, the Kuiper belt inhabits the solar system far beyond the orbit of the eighth planet, Neptune.

"Quaoar definitely hurts the case for Pluto being a planet," said Professor Brown. "If Pluto were discovered today, no one would even consider calling it a planet because it's clearly a Kuiper-belt object."

Quaoar - named after the creation force of the Tongva Indian tribe, the original inhabitants of the Los Angeles area where the Caltech campus is located - was discovered in June, but not announced until yesterday.

Its discoverers are still determining how quickly it spins, so they can work out the length of its "day". They are also trying to determine what precisely it is made of and even if it has a thin atmosphere.

Ross Taylor, from the Australian National University's geology department, said the Kuiper belt was the remains of the massive cloud of gas that coalesced into the sun and planets billions of years ago.

He agreed that neither Pluto nor Quaoar should be known as planets, but instead as "ice-dwarfs". Both bodies, and even the innermost planet Mercury, were all smaller than two of Jupiter's moons and one of Saturn's. But such labels were a grey area, he said. "It's arbitrary. You get into a real semantic sort of swamp. It's like trying to define life," he said.

But Professor Taylor said that Quaoar was definitely not the mystical "Planet X" for which astronomers have searched vainly for decades. When Neptune was discovered in 1846, its orbit differed markedly from that which astronomers calculated it should be. It was assumed another planet was pulling it off course.

But when Pluto was discovered in 1930, it was too small to exert such a pull.

Eventually, said Professor Taylor, scientists realised the discrepancy could be explained because they had wrongly calculated Neptune's mass.

But he predicted many more Kuiper Belt objects would be discovered as only a fraction of the sky had been searched. "I think it's probable that we'll pick some up to Pluto's size," he said.

Quaoar's finders, who are continuing their search for Kuiper-belt bodies, agree.

"Right now, I'd say they get as big as Pluto," said Professor Brown.

None of them, however, are likely to be labelled planets, and even Pluto may lose that privilege from the powers-that-be.

"I think the International Astronomical Union are trying to get their nerve up on this (Pluto)," said Professor Taylor.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chadtrujillo; kbo; kuiperbelt; mikebrown; pluto; quaoar; tno; xplanets
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To: dead
The Land of Lost Loser Liberals.

Let's send Daschle and gang, along with SoDamn Insane and his merry band of muslims there to create their own Utopia. I'll volunteer to punch their tickets! ;^)

21 posted on 10/07/2002 8:45:03 AM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic
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To: dead
If this is not 'Planet X', what is it?

It's the Palestinian State.

22 posted on 10/07/2002 8:50:26 AM PDT by Alouette
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To: dead
Let's see.... it's small, cold, and stony.

Let's call it "Hillary's Heart"!

23 posted on 10/07/2002 8:50:39 AM PDT by Jonah Hex
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To: dead
Quaoar - named after the creation force of the Tongva Indian tribe, the original inhabitants of the Los Angeles area where the Caltech campus is located - was discovered in June, but not announced until yesterday.

Valuing the Difference of the Multicultural Diversity Alert! I'm sure the object was named for the Tongva because of their sophisticated lnowledge of astronomy...

24 posted on 10/07/2002 8:54:58 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: dead
Omigosh! Gasp!


25 posted on 10/07/2002 9:08:30 AM PDT by Young Werther
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To: dead
Who the heck named this "planet"?? There is an international committee for the naming of celestial bodies and I bet they had nothing to do with this.
26 posted on 10/07/2002 9:18:35 AM PDT by DonQ
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To: 1bigdictator
Planet X: Rogue planet in a binary orbit between our Sun and another star; it's supposedly due to pass between the Sun and Earth sometime late spring or early summer. Is this correct?

I hope this is not for real. You are joking right?

Firstly, This presumes that there is another star closer than the established closest star to our solar system, Proxima Centauri( 4.22 light years away) which is itself a memeber of a Alpha Centauri triple star system. So, from the best of modern astronomy, we do not have a close neighbor star(we'll call it "nemesis"), with which we are interacting.

Secondly, if there were a planent in binary orbit(presumably orbiting both stars) around us and nemesis, then it would be impossible to find it until it did make a very close passby of Sol. You see, if this planet is not emitting any light(non star's do not emit visible light - I know some joker will say something about jupiter), then the only light we would be able to see is that reflected from our star or reflected from nemesis. Since we can't find friggen nemesis itself, there is no hope of finding the planet until it came VERY close to Sol itself. If something like this actually did happen, it would be concidered a rogue interstellar planet anyway BECAUSE THERE IS NO NEMESIS!!!!!

Finally, don't you think a story like this would have gotten a little airtime by now?

27 posted on 10/07/2002 9:19:30 AM PDT by SengirV
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To: RadioAstronomer; longshadow; PatrickHenry
Quaoar ping!
28 posted on 10/07/2002 9:22:07 AM PDT by Aracelis
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To: SengirV
A couple months ago an ex-Nasa employee was on some late-night radio talk program with that weirdo from Nevada who broadcasts late a t night. He, of course, claimed there was a cover-up to prevent global panic in the face of the coming catastrophe.

But why worry about Iraq and WMD if such an event were to occur?

29 posted on 10/07/2002 9:25:27 AM PDT by 1bigdictator
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To: SengirV
A few months back someone mentioned Planet X on FR and I did a search on it. True or not, Planet X apparently has a rather large following.
30 posted on 10/07/2002 9:30:54 AM PDT by TBall
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To: dead
All your Quaoar are belong to us!
31 posted on 10/07/2002 9:40:11 AM PDT by Darth Dan
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To: Piltdown_Woman
Quaoar ping!

There's something definitely queer about the name Quaoar. Why don't they name it Clinton? It sounds like this thing is a worthless lump, and nothing of any importance on Earth will ever bear Clinton's name.

32 posted on 10/07/2002 9:43:18 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: dead
Planet X is after planet W according to Porky Pig in "Duck Dodgers in the 21st and a half century."
33 posted on 10/07/2002 9:46:52 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Leo Carpathian
Next thing we will find out that Earth is the garbage can of Universe where all the evil and rotten was dumped to :-)

That would explain a lot!

34 posted on 10/07/2002 9:50:14 AM PDT by null and void
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To: null and void
It should be named Rupert, BTW...
35 posted on 10/07/2002 9:50:57 AM PDT by null and void
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
I believe Larry Niven's "Protector" novel named it "Persephone" also.
36 posted on 10/07/2002 10:33:54 AM PDT by conejo99
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To: Alouette
good one.
37 posted on 10/07/2002 10:36:49 AM PDT by galt-jw
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To: dead
"I've got a bad feeling about this..."


38 posted on 10/07/2002 10:39:36 AM PDT by Redcloak
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To: TBall
A professional astronomer who is a friend of mine has told me that the Planet X theory - although very vague - has support because of the odd behavior of Neptune & Pluto. Those two seem not to follow the pure mathematical rules of motion and it is as if another, unknown, planet was out there influencing their orbits. So Planet X exists on paper as a means of explaining some anomalies. But its "influences" are so vague and unpredictable that it has never been possible to pinpoint its location, much less spot it with a telescope.

I have no clue as to what would be the name of this planet. Considering that it is supposed to influence Pluto, who was king of the dead, maybe Orpheus. Or Mickey Mouse.

39 posted on 10/07/2002 10:40:05 AM PDT by DonQ
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To: dead
Pluto may lose that privilege from the powers-that-be... "I think the International Astronomical Union are trying to get their nerve up on this (Pluto)," said Professor Taylor.

You Earthlings are so arrogant. What makes you think that you get to decide what's a planet and what isn't? Suppose we decided that Earth isn't a planet? What then, Mr. Big-shot humanoid?

Lemme tell you something about Pluto. We've been around longer than you have. In fact, we've had space travel for almost 200 years. You know those people you have that you call "Democrats?" Well, I've got news for you, buddy. They're all from Pluto. We got tired of 'em screwing up our elections, so we sent them to your stupid little planet.

Don't tell me, they don't follow the rules, do they? They cheat, and they lie, and they stack the courts to get away with it. Well, they're your problem now. Hah!

40 posted on 10/07/2002 10:52:36 AM PDT by Nick Danger
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