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If this is not 'Planet X', what is it? (biggest solar system body found in more than 70 years)
Sydney Morning Herald ^ | October 8 2002 | By Stephen Cauchi

Posted on 10/07/2002 8:09:29 AM PDT by dead

When is a planet not a planet? That is what astronomers will be asking themselves after yesterday's announcement of the biggest planetary body discovered in the solar system in more than 70 years.

The new body, called Quaoar (pronounced Kwah-o-ar), is a round world that orbits the sun every 288 years, at a distance greater than that of any of the nine planets. At 1250 kilometres wide, it is bigger than any of the asteroids. In fact, it is bigger than all the asteroids put together.

But it is also just over half the size of the smallest planet in the solar system, Pluto, which already struggles to be classified as a planet because of its size. For that matter, it is just over a third the size of our moon. But unlike a moon, it does not orbit a planet.

So what is it? Its discoverers, Mike Brown and Chad Trujilo from the California Institute of Technology, say Quaoar (and Pluto) should be referred to as "Kuiper-belt objects".

The Kuiper belt is like the asteroid belt. But while most asteroids orbit between Mars and Jupiter, the Kuiper belt inhabits the solar system far beyond the orbit of the eighth planet, Neptune.

"Quaoar definitely hurts the case for Pluto being a planet," said Professor Brown. "If Pluto were discovered today, no one would even consider calling it a planet because it's clearly a Kuiper-belt object."

Quaoar - named after the creation force of the Tongva Indian tribe, the original inhabitants of the Los Angeles area where the Caltech campus is located - was discovered in June, but not announced until yesterday.

Its discoverers are still determining how quickly it spins, so they can work out the length of its "day". They are also trying to determine what precisely it is made of and even if it has a thin atmosphere.

Ross Taylor, from the Australian National University's geology department, said the Kuiper belt was the remains of the massive cloud of gas that coalesced into the sun and planets billions of years ago.

He agreed that neither Pluto nor Quaoar should be known as planets, but instead as "ice-dwarfs". Both bodies, and even the innermost planet Mercury, were all smaller than two of Jupiter's moons and one of Saturn's. But such labels were a grey area, he said. "It's arbitrary. You get into a real semantic sort of swamp. It's like trying to define life," he said.

But Professor Taylor said that Quaoar was definitely not the mystical "Planet X" for which astronomers have searched vainly for decades. When Neptune was discovered in 1846, its orbit differed markedly from that which astronomers calculated it should be. It was assumed another planet was pulling it off course.

But when Pluto was discovered in 1930, it was too small to exert such a pull.

Eventually, said Professor Taylor, scientists realised the discrepancy could be explained because they had wrongly calculated Neptune's mass.

But he predicted many more Kuiper Belt objects would be discovered as only a fraction of the sky had been searched. "I think it's probable that we'll pick some up to Pluto's size," he said.

Quaoar's finders, who are continuing their search for Kuiper-belt bodies, agree.

"Right now, I'd say they get as big as Pluto," said Professor Brown.

None of them, however, are likely to be labelled planets, and even Pluto may lose that privilege from the powers-that-be.

"I think the International Astronomical Union are trying to get their nerve up on this (Pluto)," said Professor Taylor.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chadtrujillo; kbo; kuiperbelt; mikebrown; pluto; quaoar; tno; xplanets
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1 posted on 10/07/2002 8:09:29 AM PDT by dead
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To: dead
An orbiting Death Star!
2 posted on 10/07/2002 8:13:09 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: dead
Planet X: Rogue planet in a binary orbit between our Sun and another star; it's supposedly due to pass between the Sun and Earth sometime late spring or early summer. Is this correct?
3 posted on 10/07/2002 8:14:09 AM PDT by 1bigdictator
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4 posted on 10/07/2002 8:15:41 AM PDT by William McKinley
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To: dead
I just read "Beyond this Horizon" by Robert Heinlein. In it, he names the 10th planet "Persephone", which is a far better name than Quaoar. I hope that name gets overruled, although the discover of a planet has some input to the naming process.

Quaoar violates the mythological convention that has been used for over 2500 years.

Is it a planet? Yes, although you could argue for it being a large asteroid.

5 posted on 10/07/2002 8:17:14 AM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner
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To: dead
The "Quaoar" name is so obscure that Google only came up with one link. Fitting, I guess.
6 posted on 10/07/2002 8:19:24 AM PDT by martin_fierro
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
God forbid you'd name it Nemesis, like the Death Star theory back in the 80's dubbed it.
7 posted on 10/07/2002 8:26:08 AM PDT by TheLurkerX
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To: dead
"It's arbitrary. You get into a real semantic sort of swamp. It's like trying to define life," he said.

Oooooh. A crevo thread.

8 posted on 10/07/2002 8:27:25 AM PDT by js1138
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To: dead
It can't be a planet; it's not named after a Greek God.
9 posted on 10/07/2002 8:28:08 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: dead
The fringes of the tinfoilers should be having a celebration right about now( you know planet Niburu where the shapeshifting lizards who control everything came from) lol.
10 posted on 10/07/2002 8:28:45 AM PDT by weikel
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Is it a planet? Yes, although you could argue for it being a large asteroid.

The problem is that the definition of planet/asteriod is not an absolute. It's like the boat/ship definition. A boat is anything that can fit on a ship. Yet the nuclear missile subs are still called boats (probably a hold-over from the days when subs could fit onboard a ship). If astonomers want to end this mess, they simply need to define in absolute terms (mass and orbit) what a planet is.

11 posted on 10/07/2002 8:30:04 AM PDT by The_Victor
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To: dead
Quaoar - named after the creation force of the Tongva Indian tribe, the original inhabitants of the Los Angeles area where the Caltech campus is located -

How totally P.C.!

12 posted on 10/07/2002 8:30:09 AM PDT by aShepard
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To: The_Victor
And volume.
13 posted on 10/07/2002 8:31:39 AM PDT by weikel
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To: dead
Vulcan
14 posted on 10/07/2002 8:32:14 AM PDT by blam
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To: LibWhacker
. . . it's not named after a Greek God.

Okay, or Roman! :-)

15 posted on 10/07/2002 8:33:02 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: aShepard
>>How totally P.C.!

Next thing we will find out that Earth is the garbage can of Universe where all the evil and rotten was dumped to :-)
16 posted on 10/07/2002 8:34:27 AM PDT by Leo Carpathian
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To: dead
It's arbitrary. You get into a real semantic sort of swamp.

Paging Bill Clinton....

17 posted on 10/07/2002 8:38:26 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Quaoar violates the mythological convention that has been used for over 2500 years.

The asteroids have long since exhausted, not only Graeco-Roman mythologies, but those every other major civilization. A local tribal god is probably the best alternative that isn't already taken.

18 posted on 10/07/2002 8:41:03 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: weikel
Remember to read all the books in the Sacharia Sitchen series the earth chronicles...IF you want to learn more about Niburu and planet x....IT is the most logical and yet a little kookie of all the books i have read. AND the Niburuins are not Reptoids LMAO....
19 posted on 10/07/2002 8:41:31 AM PDT by daapfe
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To: Forgiven_Sinner; aShepard
Quaoar. I hope that name gets overruled,

Yes, it's a stupid, unpronounceable PC name, indicating, it would seem, that the discoverers don't think it's a planet...it's almost as if they are trying to dissuade discussion by giving it a name only an aborigine could love.

20 posted on 10/07/2002 8:43:35 AM PDT by PoisedWoman
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