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Professor Rigid on Evolution (must "believe" to get med school rec)
The Lubbock Avalanche Journal ^ | 10/6/02 | Sebastian Kitchen

Posted on 10/06/2002 8:16:21 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana

Professor rigid on evolution </MCC HEAD>

By SEBASTIAN KITCHEN </MCC BYLINE1>

AVALANCHE-JOURNAL </MCC BYLINE2>

On the Net

• Criteria for letters of recommendation: http://www2.tltc.ttu.edu/dini/Personal/ letters.htm

• Michael Dini's Web page:

http://www2.tltc.ttu. edu/dini/

Micah Spradling was OK with learning about evolution in college, but his family drew the line when his belief in the theory became a prerequisite for continuing his education.

Tim Spradling said his son left Texas Tech this semester and enrolled in Lubbock Christian University after en countering the policy of one associate professor in biological sciences.

Professor Michael Dini's Web site states that a student must "truthfully and forthrightly" believe in human evolution to receive a letter of recommendation from him.

"How can someone who does not accept the most important theory in biology expect to properly practice in a field that is so heavily based on biology?" Dini's site reads.

Dini says on the site that it is easy to imagine how physicians who ignore or neglect the "evolutionary origin of humans can make bad clinical decisions."

He declined to speak with The Avalanche-Journal. His response to an e-mail from The A-J said: "This semester, I have 500 students to contend with, and my schedule in no way permits me to participate in such a debate."

A Tech spokeswoman said Chancellor David Smith and other Tech officials also did not want to comment on the story.

At least two Lubbock doctors and a medical ethicist said they have a problem with the criterion, and the ethicist said Dini "could be a real ingrate."

Tim Spradling, who owns The Brace Place, said his son wanted to follow in his footsteps and needed a letter from a biology professor to apply for a program at Southwestern University's medical school.

Spradling is not the only medical professional in Lub bock shocked by Dini's policy. Doctors Patrick Edwards and Gaylon Seay said they learned evolution in college but were never forced to believe it.

"I learned what they taught," Edwards said. "I had to. I wanted to make good grades, but it didn't change my basic beliefs."

Seay said his primary problem is Dini "trying to force someone to pledge allegiance to his way of thinking."

Seay, a Tech graduate who has practiced medicine since 1977, said a large amount of literature exists against the theory.

"He is asking people to compromise their religious be liefs," Seay said. "It is a shame for a professor to use that as a criteria."

Dini's site also states: "So much physical evidence supports" evolution that it can be referred to as fact even if all the details are not known.

"One can deny this evidence only at the risk of calling into question one's understanding of science and of the method of science," Dini states on the Web site.

Edwards said Dini admits in the statement that the details are not all known.

Dini is in a position of authority and "can injure someone's career," and the criteria is the "most prejudice thing I have ever read," Seay said.

"It is appalling," he said.

Both doctors said their beliefs in creationism have never negatively affected their practices, and Seay said he is a more compassionate doctor because of his beliefs.

"I do not believe evolution has anything to do with the ability to make clinical decisions — pro or con," Seay said.

Academic freedom should be extended to students, Edwards said.

"A student may learn about a subject, but that does not mean that everything must be accepted as fact, just because the professor or an incomplete body of evidence says so," Edwards said.

"Skepticism is also a very basic part of scientific study," he said.

The letter of recommendation should not be contingent on Dini's beliefs, Edwards said.

"That would be like Texas Tech telling him he had to be a Christian to teach biology," Edwards said.

Harold Vanderpool, professor in history and philosophy of medicine at the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston, said he has a problem with Dini's policy.

"I think this professor could be a real ingrate," Vanderpool said. "I have a problem with a colleague who has enjoyed all the academic freedoms we have, which are extensive, and yet denies that to our students."

Vanderpool, who has served on, advised or chaired committees for the National Institute of Health, the Food and Drug Administration and the Department of Health and Human Services, said the situation would be like a government professor requiring a student to be "sufficiently patriotic" to receive a letter.

"It seems to me that this professor is walking a pretty thin line between the protection of his right to do what he wants to do, his own academic freedom, and a level of discrimination toward a student," he said.

"It is reaching into an area of discrimination. That could be a legal problem. If not, it is a moral problem," Vanderpool said.

Instead of a recommendation resting on character and academic performance, "you've got this ideological litmus test you are using," he said. "To me, that is problematic, if not outright wrong."

William F. May, a medical ethicist who was appointed to President Bush's Council on Bioethics, said he cannot remember establishing a criterion on the question of belief with a student on exams or with letters of recommendation.

"I taught at five institutions and have always felt you should grade papers and offer judgments on the quality of arguments rather than a position on which they arrived."

Professors "enjoy the protection of academic freedom" and Dini "seems to be profoundly ungrateful" for the freedom, Vanderpool said.

He said a teacher cannot be forced to write a letter of recommendation for a student, which he believes is good because the letters are personal and have "to do with the professor's assessment of students' work habits, character, grades, persistence and so on."

A policy such as Dini's needs to be in the written materials and should be stated in front of the class so the student is not surprised by the policy and can drop the class, Vanderpool said.

Dini's site states that an individual who denies the evidence commits malpractice in the method of science because "good scientists would never throw out data that do not conform to their expectations or beliefs."

People throw out information be cause "it seems to contradict his/her cherished beliefs," Dini's site reads. A physician who ignores data cannot remain a physician for long, it states.

Dini's site lists him as an exceptional faculty member at Texas Tech in 1995 and says he was named "Teacher of the Year" in 1998-99 by the Honors College at Texas Tech.

Edwards said he does not see any evidence on Dini's vita that he attended medical school or treated patients.

"Dr. Dini is a nonmedical person trying to impose his ideas on medicine," Edwards said. "There is little in common between teaching biology classes and treating sick people. ... How dare someone who has never treated a sick person purport to impose his feelings about evolution on someone who aspires to treat such people?"

On his Web site, Dini questions how someone who does not believe in the theory of evolution can ask to be recommended into a scientific profession by a professional scientist.

May, who taught at multiple prestigious universities, including Yale, during his 50 years in academia, said he did not want to judge Dini and qualified his statements because he did not know all of the specifics.

He said the doctors may be viewing Dini's policy as a roadblock, but the professor may be warning them in advance of his policy so students are not dismayed later.

"I have never seen it done and am surprised to hear it, but he may find creationist aggressive in the class and does not want to have to cope with that," May said. "He is at least giving people the courtesy of warning them in advance."

The policy seems unusual, May said, but Dini should not be "gang-tackled and punished for his policy."

The criterion may have been viewed as a roadblock for Micah Spradling at Tech, but it opened a door for him at LCU.

Classes at LCU were full, Tim Spradling said, but school officials made room for his son after he showed them Dini's policy.

skitchen@lubbockonline.com 766-8753


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: academia; crevolist; evolution
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To: derek141
Big deal...trivial science genius---theorhetical evolution loon!
801 posted on 10/10/2002 3:40:06 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
Main Entry: the·o·ret·i·cal
Pronunciation: "thE-&-'re-ti-k&l, "thi(-&)r-'e-
Variant(s): also the·o·ret·ic /-tik/
Function: adjective
Etymology: Late Latin theoreticus, from Greek theOrEtikos, from theOrein to look at
Date: 1601
1 a : relating to or having the character of theory : ABSTRACT b : confined to theory or speculation often in contrast to practical applications : SPECULATIVE < theoretical physics >
2 : given to or skilled in theorizing < a brilliant theoretical physicist >
3 : existing only in theory : HYPOTHETICAL < gave as an example a theoretical situation >
802 posted on 10/10/2002 3:46:19 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
That sounds like an ad hominem fallacy.
803 posted on 10/10/2002 3:49:48 PM PDT by derek141
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To: derek141
misspelled too!

How about quack instead of loon?

804 posted on 10/10/2002 3:51:16 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Right Wing Professor
Why, after all, should the creator have used a set of common blueprints? Why would he use similar genes for a serine kinase in two birds, and a different one in a tunicate?

Isn't this in essence the same as asking why did He make a variety of animals that have some shared characteristics? If they have shared characteristics, and he created DNA as his mechanism for allowing one generation to pass their characteristics on to the next, then it logically follows the DNA sequences would be similar also and the more shared characteristics they have, the more similar the DNA. Evolution is a possible explanation for similar DNA sequences, in exactly the same way that it's a possible explanation for similar skeletal structures, internal organs or whatever, but creationism fits these observations at least as well.

Or we could believe that God was deliberately making the entire genome of every species deceptively suggest an evolutionary origin, in order to test our faith.

I don't agree that the similarities in genome or anything else would suggest God was trying to deceive us. It's true that you could use evolution as an explanation for similarities, but as I pointed out, creationism would explain similarities at least as well.

I guess nobody at this site can understand genomics: Creation Scientists in the Biological Sciences

805 posted on 10/10/2002 3:52:04 PM PDT by lasereye
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To: derek141
LOL! Ad hominem from f.Christian? No way, the only thing coming from him is gibberish and as far as I know that's no logical fallacy ;-D
So just skip over it.
806 posted on 10/10/2002 3:56:57 PM PDT by BMCDA
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To: derek141
My theology professor taught me...

no context is pretext---

don't major in the minors and minor in the majors---

cover the whole animal--subject!

Philosophy is the king/queen of the sciences(clean your glasses/window)!

Take off the funny pages!

The big(forest)and little pictures(trees) should agree!

807 posted on 10/10/2002 3:57:42 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: f.Christian
Who are you? Jesse Jackson?
808 posted on 10/10/2002 3:58:15 PM PDT by derek141
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To: BMCDA
TerMITE--timber ant!
809 posted on 10/10/2002 3:59:02 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: derek141
One big difference...I mostly like internal(hidden) rhyme!
810 posted on 10/10/2002 4:00:29 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: VadeRetro
As expected, a one-sided analysis, an attempt to undermine.

I made no analysis. I noted a simple observation about your link. The computer program of Hardy-har-hardison I analyzed.

811 posted on 10/10/2002 4:01:41 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: f.Christian
You should get-- (in the)--

debate or get (off the website.)
812 posted on 10/10/2002 4:03:16 PM PDT by derek141
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To: f.Christian
Welcome!
Free Republic is an online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America. And we always have fun doing it. Hoo-yah!
813 posted on 10/10/2002 4:03:29 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: derek141
derek141 signed up 2002-10-10.

Are you the cookoo bird...cleaning the nest---laying an egg?

814 posted on 10/10/2002 4:05:02 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: derek141
Are you the hired bride--gun for shell shocked PH?
815 posted on 10/10/2002 4:08:38 PM PDT by f.Christian
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To: Agamemnon
Spelling is optional, especially in hastily typed notes where fat fingers interfere.

You failed to make a valid point in the real discussion, as did several others with similar complaints.

816 posted on 10/10/2002 4:19:02 PM PDT by bert
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To: derek141
They cure bacterial disease, and when abused, do indeed select for more virulent bacteria.

I think you might mean more resistant bacteria.

In a further observation, it appears that your judgement should also apply to the 1997 Darwin day lecturer, Dr. Douglas J. Futuyma, as in his speech he stated ---We have observed many pathogens, such are those that cause malaria and AIDS, evolve resistance to antibiotic drugs, and by understanding this process, evolutionary biologists can help to design ways to retard such evolutionary changes

817 posted on 10/10/2002 4:19:13 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: AndrewC
You are correct about the resistance; I was thinking in terms of what the original post reflected, i.e. bad bacteria vs. worse bacteria... and resistant bacteria are definitely worse. I am unfamiliar with Futuyma.
818 posted on 10/10/2002 4:23:47 PM PDT by derek141
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To: All
[We evolution types interrupt this thread to bring you the following important message:]
George W. Bush is the greatest! Down with bolshevism! Defeat the socialistic dems! Win back the Senate! God bless America!
[And now, let the thread continue ... ]
819 posted on 10/10/2002 4:36:17 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: derek141
"By way of conclusion: a natural way to understand such notions as rationality and irrationality is in terms of the proper functioning of the relevant cognitive equipment. Seen from this perspective, the question whether it is rational to believe in God without the evidential support of other propositions is really a metaphysical or theological dispute. The theist has an easy time explaining the notion of our cognitive equipment's functioning properly: our cognitive equipment functions properly when it functions in the way God designed it to function."

"The atheist evidential objector, however, owes us an account of this notion."

"What does he mean when he complains that the theist without evidence displays a... cognitive defect---of some sort?"

"How does he understand the notion of cognitive malfunction?"

820 posted on 10/10/2002 4:40:35 PM PDT by f.Christian
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