Posted on 10/06/2002 8:16:21 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana
Professor rigid on evolution </MCC HEAD>
By SEBASTIAN KITCHEN </MCC BYLINE1>
AVALANCHE-JOURNAL </MCC BYLINE2>
• Criteria for letters of recommendation: http://www2.tltc.ttu.edu/dini/Personal/ letters.htm
• Michael Dini's Web page:
http://www2.tltc.ttu. edu/dini/
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Micah Spradling was OK with learning about evolution in college, but his family drew the line when his belief in the theory became a prerequisite for continuing his education.
Tim Spradling said his son left Texas Tech this semester and enrolled in Lubbock Christian University after en countering the policy of one associate professor in biological sciences.
Professor Michael Dini's Web site states that a student must "truthfully and forthrightly" believe in human evolution to receive a letter of recommendation from him.
"How can someone who does not accept the most important theory in biology expect to properly practice in a field that is so heavily based on biology?" Dini's site reads.
Dini says on the site that it is easy to imagine how physicians who ignore or neglect the "evolutionary origin of humans can make bad clinical decisions."
He declined to speak with The Avalanche-Journal. His response to an e-mail from The A-J said: "This semester, I have 500 students to contend with, and my schedule in no way permits me to participate in such a debate."
A Tech spokeswoman said Chancellor David Smith and other Tech officials also did not want to comment on the story.
At least two Lubbock doctors and a medical ethicist said they have a problem with the criterion, and the ethicist said Dini "could be a real ingrate."
Tim Spradling, who owns The Brace Place, said his son wanted to follow in his footsteps and needed a letter from a biology professor to apply for a program at Southwestern University's medical school.
Spradling is not the only medical professional in Lub bock shocked by Dini's policy. Doctors Patrick Edwards and Gaylon Seay said they learned evolution in college but were never forced to believe it.
"I learned what they taught," Edwards said. "I had to. I wanted to make good grades, but it didn't change my basic beliefs."
Seay said his primary problem is Dini "trying to force someone to pledge allegiance to his way of thinking."
Seay, a Tech graduate who has practiced medicine since 1977, said a large amount of literature exists against the theory.
"He is asking people to compromise their religious be liefs," Seay said. "It is a shame for a professor to use that as a criteria."
Dini's site also states: "So much physical evidence supports" evolution that it can be referred to as fact even if all the details are not known.
"One can deny this evidence only at the risk of calling into question one's understanding of science and of the method of science," Dini states on the Web site.
Edwards said Dini admits in the statement that the details are not all known.
Dini is in a position of authority and "can injure someone's career," and the criteria is the "most prejudice thing I have ever read," Seay said.
"It is appalling," he said.
Both doctors said their beliefs in creationism have never negatively affected their practices, and Seay said he is a more compassionate doctor because of his beliefs.
"I do not believe evolution has anything to do with the ability to make clinical decisions — pro or con," Seay said.
Academic freedom should be extended to students, Edwards said.
"A student may learn about a subject, but that does not mean that everything must be accepted as fact, just because the professor or an incomplete body of evidence says so," Edwards said.
"Skepticism is also a very basic part of scientific study," he said.
The letter of recommendation should not be contingent on Dini's beliefs, Edwards said.
"That would be like Texas Tech telling him he had to be a Christian to teach biology," Edwards said.
Harold Vanderpool, professor in history and philosophy of medicine at the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston, said he has a problem with Dini's policy.
"I think this professor could be a real ingrate," Vanderpool said. "I have a problem with a colleague who has enjoyed all the academic freedoms we have, which are extensive, and yet denies that to our students."
Vanderpool, who has served on, advised or chaired committees for the National Institute of Health, the Food and Drug Administration and the Department of Health and Human Services, said the situation would be like a government professor requiring a student to be "sufficiently patriotic" to receive a letter.
"It seems to me that this professor is walking a pretty thin line between the protection of his right to do what he wants to do, his own academic freedom, and a level of discrimination toward a student," he said.
"It is reaching into an area of discrimination. That could be a legal problem. If not, it is a moral problem," Vanderpool said.
Instead of a recommendation resting on character and academic performance, "you've got this ideological litmus test you are using," he said. "To me, that is problematic, if not outright wrong."
William F. May, a medical ethicist who was appointed to President Bush's Council on Bioethics, said he cannot remember establishing a criterion on the question of belief with a student on exams or with letters of recommendation.
"I taught at five institutions and have always felt you should grade papers and offer judgments on the quality of arguments rather than a position on which they arrived."
Professors "enjoy the protection of academic freedom" and Dini "seems to be profoundly ungrateful" for the freedom, Vanderpool said.
He said a teacher cannot be forced to write a letter of recommendation for a student, which he believes is good because the letters are personal and have "to do with the professor's assessment of students' work habits, character, grades, persistence and so on."
A policy such as Dini's needs to be in the written materials and should be stated in front of the class so the student is not surprised by the policy and can drop the class, Vanderpool said.
Dini's site states that an individual who denies the evidence commits malpractice in the method of science because "good scientists would never throw out data that do not conform to their expectations or beliefs."
People throw out information be cause "it seems to contradict his/her cherished beliefs," Dini's site reads. A physician who ignores data cannot remain a physician for long, it states.
Dini's site lists him as an exceptional faculty member at Texas Tech in 1995 and says he was named "Teacher of the Year" in 1998-99 by the Honors College at Texas Tech.
Edwards said he does not see any evidence on Dini's vita that he attended medical school or treated patients.
"Dr. Dini is a nonmedical person trying to impose his ideas on medicine," Edwards said. "There is little in common between teaching biology classes and treating sick people. ... How dare someone who has never treated a sick person purport to impose his feelings about evolution on someone who aspires to treat such people?"
On his Web site, Dini questions how someone who does not believe in the theory of evolution can ask to be recommended into a scientific profession by a professional scientist.
May, who taught at multiple prestigious universities, including Yale, during his 50 years in academia, said he did not want to judge Dini and qualified his statements because he did not know all of the specifics.
He said the doctors may be viewing Dini's policy as a roadblock, but the professor may be warning them in advance of his policy so students are not dismayed later.
"I have never seen it done and am surprised to hear it, but he may find creationist aggressive in the class and does not want to have to cope with that," May said. "He is at least giving people the courtesy of warning them in advance."
The policy seems unusual, May said, but Dini should not be "gang-tackled and punished for his policy."
The criterion may have been viewed as a roadblock for Micah Spradling at Tech, but it opened a door for him at LCU.
Classes at LCU were full, Tim Spradling said, but school officials made room for his son after he showed them Dini's policy.
skitchen@lubbockonline.com 766-8753
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Check your facts. Do a google search on 'scientific evidence against evolution' and see how much information you can find. Do another google search on 'scientific evidence supporting creation' and see how much information you find.
The problem is, the majority of people who believe the fiction of evolution tend to come from the liberal right. And everyone knows that you can lead a liberal to knowledge, but you can't make them think.
It most certainly is an answer. You may not like it.
The logic was yours.
Ahh... excellent! So everything without that tag can be assumed to be naturally occuring. I'm certain that paleontologists and anthropologists around the world are agog to learn this.
By all means post a link and ping me when you publish your discovery.
The application was not. I do not know if arrowheads and SETI signals are analogous.
Your logic again. It is sufficient, but not necessary.
If you consider your statements as immune to logic, so be it.
Could you could map out how you got from here to there using my logic?
That is my point. Using your logic, I can't.
None of it science though. Which is sort of the point.
Since there are numerous scientists who dispute evolution theory, you obviously have no familiarity with any of the anti-evolution arguments. You remind me of a poster a few weeks back who asserted that evolutionists employed the scientific method in their analysis of fossils, which they don't. Turned out he didn't even know what the scientific method was.
These kinds of arguments by evolutionists, like suggesting the degree of certainty in abstract reasoning and evolution are comparable does not indicate real confidence in evolution, but deep down a realization that it's BS. It's an attempt to dismiss creationism with a wave of the hand. The fact is there are all sorts of theories in the physical sciences which have been verified by controlled experiments, which evolution certainly has not, and if a student declared he didn't believe some of them it would not cause him to be considered unqualified to advance his studies. To say that someone is unqualified to study medicine because he doesn't believe a theory which has no application whatsover in medicine or anything else for that matter indicates a desire to stamp out or punish belief in creationism and hence make it go away. It's indicative of deep fear on the part of evos.
Nonsense
"Negative entropy" (not thermodynamic, but Shannon-informational) is a physical miracle beyond their skills to even begin to explain in any way, shape, or fashion.
That statistical and thermodynamic entropy are one and the same was shown 100 years ago.
You are insufficiently intelligent to know the grave flaws of your own materialist absolutist faith. Or, you lack sufficient understanding. Or both.
So what year was your Nobel prize awarded?
Well... I'm not sure how much real science a physician needs to know. So much medical training is rote memorization, and contrary to how it's portrayed on TV, anyone who tried to be really creative in modern medicine would be awash in malpractice suits. My brother the MD swears that most of his training involved discouraging him from too much independent thought.
I do write letters of recommendation for medical school. I'm generally not aware of students' views on evolution; the subject comes up only infrequently in my teaching. But if I were aware an otherwise talented student had creationist views, I think I'd be obliged to mention it in the letter, and let the admissions committee make up its own mind.
Thank Junior for creating that archive. The rest of us just ran around for three years or so creating threads and discovering links. Junior captured it all in one place. It's all there, the good, the bad, the ugly.
So my logic does not lead to the conclusions you've drawn for me using my logic.
A noteworthy point, indeed. Thanks for clearing that up.
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