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Terror link to Maryland shootings? Experts divided whether killing spree work of al-Qaida
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, October 4, 2002

Posted on 10/03/2002 11:45:15 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

Though al-Qaida training videotapes and manuals captured in Afghanistan specifically show the planning of attacks on Americans in drive-by shootings, experts who have analyzed those materials are cautious about concluding the murder spree outside of Washington yesterday is connected in any way to terrorism.

The videotapes and training manuals, which show Osama lin Laden's terrorists have prepared to kill Americans with small-arms fire from trucks and vans, were first revealed in a WorldNetDaily report last month.

But John Holschen of Insights Training Center, who produced a report on the tape for military and law enforcement officials, said the rash of shootings in a small area of suburban Washington in a short period of time is unusual but not altogether unique.

"It's not inconceivable that this will turn out to be a terrorist attack," he said. However, he cautioned against jumping to any conclusions without more information.

The training video captured in Afghanistan shows al-Qaida operatives practicing the following kinds of assaults:

Skip Gouchenour, a licensed detective in Pennsylvania who has analyzed the videotape and other training materials and made a presentation on them for the Pennsylvania Detectives Association, agreed that the Maryland shooting and murder spree is very unusual.

"I'm not dismissing the possibility of a terrorist connection," he said. "It's strange, indeed."

Gouchenour specializes in investigating murder cases for district attorneys, defense attorneys, police agencies and private citizens. He says he has run across similar murder sprees in his career, but finds some of the details of this case unusual.

Police across the Washington area are searching for what they describe as "a skilled shooter" who killed five people in a random death spree beginning Wednesday night and continuing yesterday morning in Montgomery County, Md.

The shootings took place at two shopping centers, two gas stations and on the lawn outside an auto dealership along Rockville Pike. The victims were ordinary people doing ordinary things on a seemingly ordinary day.

As a result of the attacks, children were kept indoors at schools in the county.

"We do have someone that so far has been very accurate in what they are attempting to do, and so we probably have a skilled shooter," said Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose yesterday. Police said they are looking for a small, slightly damaged white truck that may have black lettering on the side. Witnesses to the shootings said they saw a truck matching that description leaving some of the crime scenes.

Montgomery County police spokesman Derek Baliles said police suspect the shooter was armed with a rifle.

About 40 minutes before the first killing, a shot was fired through a window of a Michael's craft store in the 3800 block of Aspen Hill Road. No one was hurt, but Montgomery County police said they believe the incident may have been related to what followed.

The first fatal shooting occurred Wednesday night at 6 o'clock, when James Martin, 55, of Silver Spring was killed in the parking lot of a Shoppers Food Warehouse at Randolph Road and Georgia Avenue in Wheaton. By yesterday morning, the stores in the area were open for business as usual. A security tape from a camera that monitors the lot had been turned over to police.

Then about 7:40 a.m., James Buchanan was pushing a lawn mower over a narrow strip of grass in front of the Fitzgerald Auto Mall on Rockville Pike when he was shot.

The next victim was Premkumar A. Walekar, a part-time cab driver. It was about 8:10 a.m., at a Mobil gas station on Aspen Hill Road at Connecticut Avenue in Aspen Hill, when the killer struck and Walekar died pumping gas.

About 8:30 a.m., Sarah Ramos, 34, was sitting on a bench at the shopping center near the Leisure World retirement community off Georgia Avenue in Silver Spring when the killer next took aim and fired.

It was just before 10 a.m. at a Shell gas station in Kensington and Lori Lewis-Rivera, 25, was vacuuming her minivan. The station, at the corner of Knowles and Connecticut avenues in the heart of Kensington, is visible from all directions. But again the killer struck as if coming from nowhere.

Throughout the day the manhunt intensified, but as night fell there had been no arrests. Though authorities have downplayed the possibility of terrorism, the FBI, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and Secret Service have all been involved in the investigation.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaeda; banglist; beltwaysniper; dcsniper; dcsnipers; snipertimeline; snipertraining
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To: infowarrior
Sorry, but you are WRONG. AK-47 and AKM were designed and produced in 7.62x39 ONLY. You are correct about the 74. Please give up before you are swamped with replies just like mine.
421 posted on 10/04/2002 2:06:42 PM PDT by C-Note
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To: Fletcher J
I agree that "advanced markmenship training" isn't required. But some level of training or practice is.

I've shot a lot of prairie dogs beyond 100 yards with a .22.
Lot's of folks are good enough shooters to place bullets into targets (or animals) at that range. But doing it to a human is something I can safely say, most of us could not do. And to do it one after another while driving around looking for victims is on another level again. That takes both a certain level of technical proficiency and psychological fortitude.

I know I don't have it--I get rattled when I shoot anything bigger than a rabbit. Lots of cops are a mess after shooting someone too so I don't think we can assume that it's merely an exercise in markmanship with a minimal amount of training.

I don't intend to glorify the shooter's actions--not for a minute. But neither should we assume that most any garden- variety psycho is capable either.
422 posted on 10/04/2002 2:09:28 PM PDT by 5by5
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To: Fletcher J
" I hardly think that psycho-boy is some kind of shooting phenom."

I don't think so either, just practiced. Many people can do well from the bench, but not offhand.

I didn't mean that a mini-14 was the same design as the AR, just that they had rotating bolts and keep good tolerance in the parts. The 14's bolt has 2 lugs and is patterned after the M14 and the AR has multiple lugs to lock it 360o.

423 posted on 10/04/2002 2:22:01 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: infowarrior
7.62x54 is a NATO round. It isn't the same as the 7.62x54R used in the bolt action Nagant. The only round used in the AK is the 7.62x39. It is not impotent, but is ~ the maximum power for a hand held full auto. 7.62x54 made the select fire M14 uncontrollable.
424 posted on 10/04/2002 2:27:14 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: spunkets
Sorry, but 7.62x54 is NOT a NATO round. You are confusing it with 7.62x51. 7.62x51 is what made the M-14 uncontrollable. It was also used in the FN FAL and the M-60.
This is fun.
425 posted on 10/04/2002 2:39:54 PM PDT by C-Note
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To: JohnHuang2
This article at Newmax concerning the terrorist training was the very first thing I thought of upon hearing about the shootings. Very scary indeed.
426 posted on 10/04/2002 2:41:33 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: C-Note; infowarrior
51, 54, I was confused, too many numbers in my head.

infowarrior: I meant 7.62x51 = 308. Sorry!

427 posted on 10/04/2002 2:54:29 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: Brad C.
I noticed that also!!! Doesn't sound as if she loves her job much.
428 posted on 10/04/2002 3:53:15 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Beelzebubba
Normally, for witnesses far from the shooter, but near the bullet path, you expect stories about "two shots."

Would interviewing witnesses about the relative timing of the "two shots" they heard be perhaps more informative than asking them about apparent sound direction? Even if any witness may be off by a factor of two, enough witnesseses may allow the police to plot out the possible shooter locations that would have produced the perceived sounds.

429 posted on 10/04/2002 6:43:27 PM PDT by supercat
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To: Beelzebubba
Cops may enjoy all the taxpayer-funded practice at playing para-military games, but I hope to God they aren't challenged by a 100yd CNS shot.

My impression is that while someone like the criminal here would probably be perfectly happy with any shot that kills his victims, whether his victims survive half a second or half an hour after the shooting, police and military personnel occasionally have to make a much more precise shot--one where the crook is dead before he even knows he's been shot. Such a shot, from what I understand, had an acceptable target area of about a square inch. At 100 yards, that would be 1m.o.a. Not exactly a hard shot given favorable conditions, but a tricky one if, e.g., the target is moving.

430 posted on 10/04/2002 6:46:37 PM PDT by supercat
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To: bootless
My SWAG (scientific wild ass guess) is that terrorist communications have been almost totally busted up or comprimised with so many in Gitmo. There is no reliable fall back method to put out a "go code". A pro was sent in from outside the US, to "jump start" sleepers still around by example. JUST my SWAG.
431 posted on 10/04/2002 8:00:06 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: wardaddy
Nature does reclaim her own fast where there is so much wet rot and growth.
432 posted on 10/04/2002 8:02:26 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Hatteras
I can't picture it. That window miss was an anomoly though.
433 posted on 10/04/2002 8:03:54 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: 5by5
And cold cold blood.
434 posted on 10/04/2002 8:04:35 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: xJones
Thanks, and I put you on my notification list.
435 posted on 10/04/2002 8:06:04 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: spunkets
Great ballistic/acoustic info, thanks!
436 posted on 10/04/2002 8:07:47 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: infowarrior; Shooter 2.5
You're wrong bud. Plain wrong, 14 years in the Army or 114. Wrong is wrong.
437 posted on 10/04/2002 8:10:48 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee; infowarrior
I think that this would be a good time to warn the pedestrian observers out there in FReeperland that if they somehow manage to chamber a NATO 7.62x51 in a Russian 7.62x54 rifle, or vice-versa, it could result in a fatality for the shooter and nearby onlookers.

That said, at least don't do it anywhere near me.

438 posted on 10/04/2002 8:17:12 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: twntaipan
My guess is that this is a continuation of what began on 9-11. My only questions are what took the bastards so long and where will they strike again?

If these shooters were cautious and set their vehicle up properly, there'd be no need to flee quickly. They could hang around for some time until just before the cops showed up then slowly drive off.

And what BETTER place to wage a campaign of offing innocent victims than Montgomery County, MD and DC where only the cops -- and the bad guys -- are SUPPOSED to have guns.

The shooting in VA MAY have been a bad choice as I believe VA does have a CCW law on the books.

These morons MAY have some surprises if they try this crap down south.

439 posted on 10/04/2002 8:29:52 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: infowarrior; Travis McGee
To Infowarrior:
I just checked my "Small Arms of the World" hoping that in the early developments, they might have toyed with the idea of chambering the AK for the 7.62 X 54R. I didn't find anything. According to the book, the AK-47 was always chambered for the 7.62 X 39.
Suppose you send us a link to any website that shows any AK variant chambered for the 7.62 X 54R.
Thanks.
440 posted on 10/04/2002 9:35:55 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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