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Terror link to Maryland shootings? Experts divided whether killing spree work of al-Qaida
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Friday, October 4, 2002

Posted on 10/03/2002 11:45:15 PM PDT by JohnHuang2

Though al-Qaida training videotapes and manuals captured in Afghanistan specifically show the planning of attacks on Americans in drive-by shootings, experts who have analyzed those materials are cautious about concluding the murder spree outside of Washington yesterday is connected in any way to terrorism.

The videotapes and training manuals, which show Osama lin Laden's terrorists have prepared to kill Americans with small-arms fire from trucks and vans, were first revealed in a WorldNetDaily report last month.

But John Holschen of Insights Training Center, who produced a report on the tape for military and law enforcement officials, said the rash of shootings in a small area of suburban Washington in a short period of time is unusual but not altogether unique.

"It's not inconceivable that this will turn out to be a terrorist attack," he said. However, he cautioned against jumping to any conclusions without more information.

The training video captured in Afghanistan shows al-Qaida operatives practicing the following kinds of assaults:

Skip Gouchenour, a licensed detective in Pennsylvania who has analyzed the videotape and other training materials and made a presentation on them for the Pennsylvania Detectives Association, agreed that the Maryland shooting and murder spree is very unusual.

"I'm not dismissing the possibility of a terrorist connection," he said. "It's strange, indeed."

Gouchenour specializes in investigating murder cases for district attorneys, defense attorneys, police agencies and private citizens. He says he has run across similar murder sprees in his career, but finds some of the details of this case unusual.

Police across the Washington area are searching for what they describe as "a skilled shooter" who killed five people in a random death spree beginning Wednesday night and continuing yesterday morning in Montgomery County, Md.

The shootings took place at two shopping centers, two gas stations and on the lawn outside an auto dealership along Rockville Pike. The victims were ordinary people doing ordinary things on a seemingly ordinary day.

As a result of the attacks, children were kept indoors at schools in the county.

"We do have someone that so far has been very accurate in what they are attempting to do, and so we probably have a skilled shooter," said Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose yesterday. Police said they are looking for a small, slightly damaged white truck that may have black lettering on the side. Witnesses to the shootings said they saw a truck matching that description leaving some of the crime scenes.

Montgomery County police spokesman Derek Baliles said police suspect the shooter was armed with a rifle.

About 40 minutes before the first killing, a shot was fired through a window of a Michael's craft store in the 3800 block of Aspen Hill Road. No one was hurt, but Montgomery County police said they believe the incident may have been related to what followed.

The first fatal shooting occurred Wednesday night at 6 o'clock, when James Martin, 55, of Silver Spring was killed in the parking lot of a Shoppers Food Warehouse at Randolph Road and Georgia Avenue in Wheaton. By yesterday morning, the stores in the area were open for business as usual. A security tape from a camera that monitors the lot had been turned over to police.

Then about 7:40 a.m., James Buchanan was pushing a lawn mower over a narrow strip of grass in front of the Fitzgerald Auto Mall on Rockville Pike when he was shot.

The next victim was Premkumar A. Walekar, a part-time cab driver. It was about 8:10 a.m., at a Mobil gas station on Aspen Hill Road at Connecticut Avenue in Aspen Hill, when the killer struck and Walekar died pumping gas.

About 8:30 a.m., Sarah Ramos, 34, was sitting on a bench at the shopping center near the Leisure World retirement community off Georgia Avenue in Silver Spring when the killer next took aim and fired.

It was just before 10 a.m. at a Shell gas station in Kensington and Lori Lewis-Rivera, 25, was vacuuming her minivan. The station, at the corner of Knowles and Connecticut avenues in the heart of Kensington, is visible from all directions. But again the killer struck as if coming from nowhere.

Throughout the day the manhunt intensified, but as night fell there had been no arrests. Though authorities have downplayed the possibility of terrorism, the FBI, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and Secret Service have all been involved in the investigation.


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To: wardaddy
Just saw a clip of the news briefing table where they had the rifles and ammo layed out for the benefit of the press conference...I thought I saw either a .308 or a 270 Win load sitting next to the .223's....so maybe they are not 100% sure about the ammo.
341 posted on 10/04/2002 11:00:47 AM PDT by two23
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To: twntaipan
A .357 Magnum with hollow points makes a damn big hole.
342 posted on 10/04/2002 11:01:18 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: infowarrior
"... The original was chambered in 54mm, so that the rifle could accept both Warsaw Pact and the NATO 7.62x51mm rounds. The 7.62x39mm round is a "civilian" version of the weapon and the round became popular here in the US. I have a rifle chambered in 7.62x39mm (Ruger Mini-30)..."

What on EARTH are you talking about? A .308 Winchester (7.62 NATO) will not chamber in a Russian 7.62x54 rifle, and vice-versa. The latter cartridge has a rimmed case. Compared side by side, there's no similarity except that they're both pointy.

Okay, I'm fleeing this discussion. :)

343 posted on 10/04/2002 11:03:35 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Poohbah
That's the best description that I know of. Take a 3/4 inch wooden dowel and have someone break it about a foot away from your head. That's what it sounds like. I worked the targets enough in High power matches to learn what it sounds like. It doesn't sound anything like the muzzle blast.
Suppressed fire sounds like metal to metal with the bolt slamming into the receiver and whatever you're hitting, you can hear that. Suppressed fire is anything but silent.
344 posted on 10/04/2002 11:04:07 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: The KG9 Kid
Compared side by side, there's no similarity except that they're both pointy.

Well, the bullets are copper-jacketed, and the casings are brass...

Just a little more similarity :o)

345 posted on 10/04/2002 11:04:45 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: two23
If one were shooting bolt or single and had to have something under .24 caliber, 220Swift or .22-250 are better choices ballistically. If this is a demented professional or terr, perhaps the LEOs are looking at these as well.

However from what you just posted, it would appear they have a lot of narrowing down to do.
346 posted on 10/04/2002 11:05:33 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Shooter 2.5
WHAT WERE YOU SAYING? SOMEBODY BROKE a 3/4" DOWEL NEXT MY EAR, I CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING!
347 posted on 10/04/2002 11:06:07 AM PDT by Poohbah
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To: Poohbah
For what it's worth, keep in mind that the police station and the store are not in some sleepy little burg. There are 6 lanes of high volume traffic between the police and the store and the store is on the end of a large 2-city block sized shopping center complex. At 6pm there is an awful lot of activity in that particular part of town thus an awful lot of noise traffic too.

Also, the front of the store faces the police station on a slight angle and if the shooter was sitting somewhere back in the parking lot, say 100 yds, that would have put him no better than directly across from the front door of the police station shooting away from the officers inside. To explain it better, it would be more probable that the police heard the report off the front of the store.

348 posted on 10/04/2002 11:06:32 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: Shooter 2.5; Poohbah
Some of us can hardly hear a 3/4 inch dowel being broken next to our ears anymore. Kind of sounds like a Q-tip breaking.
349 posted on 10/04/2002 11:06:50 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Poohbah
Heheh... Not to argue with you, but most of that surplus Russian 7.63x54 is copper-washed steel cased.
350 posted on 10/04/2002 11:08:15 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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To: Hatteras
The fact that it started at the police station would make it appear that the perp is challenging the police to find him. A very sick and tragic game, if you will.
351 posted on 10/04/2002 11:09:36 AM PDT by twigs
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To: wardaddy
However from what you just posted, it would appear they have a lot of narrowing down to do.

Boy, I just toggled over to other cable channels and they are REALLY going on about the guns...asking how "available" these "deadly" weapons are...all the media can do is focus on the weapon instead of the criminal that pulled the trigger. News Alert on right now...FOX

352 posted on 10/04/2002 11:10:10 AM PDT by two23
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To: wardaddy
The fact this shooter apparantly didn't leave brass laying around says a lot about his future plans, ie he ain't a dead end suicide by cop loonie.

He plans to have a future, and more shootings.

353 posted on 10/04/2002 11:10:21 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Poohbah
A .22 HV/LR fired from a Marlin rifle(at 75 yards or so) sounds like pop when it hits one's head. It causes immediate vertigo and some nausea and of course blood...but not much.

The sensation was like a sharp slap/cuff to my ear but more concentrated.

First hand observations.
354 posted on 10/04/2002 11:10:28 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Travis McGee; Poohbah
Cute. Really cute. LOL.
When the ear witnesses said the report was as loud as vacuum cleaner bag exploding, I think we can rule out any suppressed weapons.
I still haven't heard if they found a cartridge case [casings are for sausages] or a bullet.
355 posted on 10/04/2002 11:12:04 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Travis McGee
I hope they get him....and quick.

If it is a terr endeavor, how will the media twist that into diatribes against "assault weapons"....(their words).
356 posted on 10/04/2002 11:12:35 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Travis McGee
What he does is fire over the edge of a packed stadium, dropping rounds in with the terminal ballistics of a .380.

Rolling Stones about to appear at a concert at Fedex Stadium in PG County, MD outside D.C. (Tonight, I think.)

357 posted on 10/04/2002 11:12:54 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Travis McGee
MY bet is the perp or perps are in another state sitting at a bar watching the news on TV and whispering in arabic.

No bet. I think you're right.

Remember the "happy face" killer? You think this guy (or his confederates) will try to cover a crescent-shaped path?

358 posted on 10/04/2002 11:15:39 AM PDT by bootless
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To: two23
The nattering nabobs are always on high RKBA bashing alert with the smallest excuse.

359 posted on 10/04/2002 11:16:53 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: infowarrior
The 7.62x39mm round is a "civilian" version of the weapon and the round became popular here in the US.

WHAT????????????????????? your not serious are you. You need to get your facts/histroy in order if your going to be posting them on this board. Especially on a topic such as this and the people involved here
360 posted on 10/04/2002 11:18:42 AM PDT by ezo4
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