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Orthodox Jews appalled as first openly gay legislator to enter parliament
AP ^ | Oct. 2, 2002 | Jack Katznell

Posted on 10/03/2002 8:58:11 AM PDT by Alouette

JERUSALEM - For the first time, a declared homosexual is about to become a member of Israel's parliament, and except for predictable outrage from Orthodox Jewish legislators, the prospect has attracted little attention.

Gay activists say this reflects growing acceptance of homosexuality in Israeli society.

Uzi Even, a professor at Tel Aviv University and a veteran gay rights activist, will replace Amnon Rubinstein, who is retiring from the parliament, representing the dovish, secular Meretz party. Even is to take his seat when the parliament reconvenes after its summer recess in November.

Lawmaker Nissim Zeev of Shas, the largest Orthodox Jewish party, said he would have difficulty sitting beside a man "whose way of life is repugnant and should be rejected with disgust."

Though homosexual practice is condemned by the Bible, Israelis have shown increasing tolerance over the years, according to gay activists, reflecting the fact that most Israeli Jews are secular, not Orthodox. The yearly Gay Pride march in Tel Aviv is a colorful and tension-free event, though the first such gathering in Jerusalem this year drew a handful of protesters.

The first openly gay legislator-to-be, Even, 62, is a retired army colonel who fought in two wars, a professor of physical chemistry and a leading expert on nuclear weapons technology.

For Zeev, it is precisely Even's achievements which make him so dangerous, because Zeev fears that Even will become a role model for Israeli youth. "Homosexuality is a message of poison, and the more distinguished he is, the more damaging the message," Zeev told The Associated Press.

Even dismissed the criticism as marginal, and noted that over the years, the opposition has been diminishing.

Even already has a major political achievement to his name — abolition of discrimination against homosexuals in the Israeli armed forces.

In 1993, when the army found out that he was living with a man, it removed him from his job as an intelligence officer. Even was later invited to address the parliament on the issue of discrimination against homosexuals in the army.

Orthodox Jewish lawmakers walked out when Even spoke, and the event received such exposure that Meretz, which was then in the government coalition, took up Even's case with then-Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin ( news - web sites).

Even was offered reinstatement in the army but refused. "I told them I wanted the rules changed," he said. A few months later, a regulation prohibiting discrimination against homosexuals in the armed forces was signed by the chief of the general staff, Ehud Barak, who later became prime minister.

Then Even sued his university to get spousal rights for his partner, Amit Kama. The two were also among the first gays to become foster parents in Israel, when they took in a 15-year-old who had been thrown out by his parents for being homosexual. The social welfare authorities and the boy's biological parents approved the arrangement.

Kama, who is a professor of communications, says there has been a major change in Israeli attitudes to gays, even among the ultra-Orthodox. In 1995, when Even spoke in parliament about discrimination against gays, Shas lawmaker Rabbi Moshe Maya pointed a finger at him and Kama, quoting the verse from the biblical book of Leviticus which says that homosexual practice is an abomination.

"The next day we had letters in our mailbox threatening to kill us," Kama said. "It was just after the assassination of the prime minister, and one of the letters said: Rabin was difficult to get. You will be easy." Rabin was assassinated in 1995 by an Israeli extremist.

Now the ultra-Orthodox are calling homosexuals sick or deviant, rather than employing biblical language. "This is an improvement," Kama said. "I can't argue with God, but I can argue with 19th century science."

On Tuesday, Even took part in an Internet debate about the gay rights efforts he has spearheaded for the past 10 years. The organizers expected a flood of hostile reactions, he said, but 80 percent of the responses were favorable. "I didn't get one single hate call, even though my number is in the book," he said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abomination; deviant; gays; homosexual; queer; rainbow; sodomy
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Sick, deviant, abomination against G-D, works for me.
1 posted on 10/03/2002 8:58:12 AM PDT by Alouette
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To: Alouette
Yes, it might be sick and deviant, but if a homosexual gets elected they have a right to hold the office. That's how democracy works. The Orthodox Jews are just being bitter, and walking out when the guy speaks isn't going to help anything. It's up to the government to support what the people want. It's up to activists to argue that what people want is wrong.
2 posted on 10/03/2002 9:40:28 AM PDT by xyggyx
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To: xyggyx
I suppose that you would have voted for the fag.
3 posted on 10/03/2002 9:45:38 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: Alouette
"The tone and tendency of liberalism...is to attack the institutions of the country under the name of reform and to make war on the manners and customs of the people under the pretext of progress." - Benjamin Disraeli
4 posted on 10/03/2002 9:50:43 AM PDT by hosepipe
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To: onedoug
ping-a-ding
5 posted on 10/03/2002 9:52:50 AM PDT by windcliff
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To: ohioman
Hah! You must have some amazing logic skills to deduce that.

I would vote for whoever's platform came closest to what I believe. I don't know what that guy's platform was, but I'm guessing since he's gay, he wouldn't really have the same stance on certain issues as me.
6 posted on 10/03/2002 9:53:48 AM PDT by xyggyx
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To: xyggyx
"It's up to the government to support what the people want."

That's the difference between a constitutional republic and a mobocracy. The government should support what the people want? What people? Think about what you are saying.

Homsexuality is a revolting, abberrant, deviant perversion which has assisted in the spread of epidemic diseases like AIDS in the western world.

Homosexuals should be free to practise whatver deviant behavior they may choose in private, but profession of, and endorsement of, their sick lifestyle should not be tolerated by any decent society. Here or in Israel.
7 posted on 10/03/2002 9:53:53 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: ZULU
Just so you know: Israel is a parliamentary democracy, and they don't have a constitution.
8 posted on 10/03/2002 9:58:26 AM PDT by xyggyx
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To: xyggyx
If it's not all about what they do in bed, then why tell anyone they're gay? If this man was really concerned about Israel politics and the state of the nation, they he would keep his trap shut about his sexual practices. After all, it's irrelevent to the performance of his duties..correct?
9 posted on 10/03/2002 9:59:41 AM PDT by goodieD
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To: xyggyx
Well it's good to hear that. But these Orthodox Jews have every right to be openly hostile to someone stands for everything they are against. (Kind of like me and my attitude toward Clionto/Gore and many other neo-commies).
10 posted on 10/03/2002 10:05:33 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: goodieD
I think he was busted living with a guy, then kicked out of the military, so it was hard to keep it a secret. Also, he's been fighting for gay rights for years.

I wouldn't vote for someone who's main agenda is gay rights... there are so many things wrong with the world, what gay people and their partners are doing isn't even on my radar.
11 posted on 10/03/2002 10:06:36 AM PDT by xyggyx
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To: windcliff
Now, now.... We must be tolerant of all islamists, sodomites, homosexuals, pedophiles and communists along the road to perdition.
12 posted on 10/03/2002 10:34:23 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: xyggyx
I don't know what that guy's platform was

The article says he belongs to the MERETZ party, which Israel's ultra-appeasement "surrender-to-the-terrorists-for-peace" gang of Bill and Hillary groupies. Andrew Sullivan, this guy is not.

13 posted on 10/03/2002 11:03:23 AM PDT by Alouette
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To: Alouette
Sooooo.....

...does this mean that Israel is not the Nation of Israel as described in the Bible?

I must admit I don't know why people like Jerry Falwell support Israel so much, when clearly given incidences like this, there is no religious justification for such support.

Or maybe Falwell likes gays now?

14 posted on 10/03/2002 11:12:50 AM PDT by FourtySeven
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To: FourtySeven
there is no religious justification for such support.

Though I have no respect for Falwell. There is a religious justification for supporting Israel, if you are a Christian it is in the Bible, just read it. This support does not include all of the sins of every single person that is Jewish, just a support of the Jews in general and Israel.

15 posted on 10/03/2002 11:32:10 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: xyggyx
If this guy's main agenda is protecting Israel, then I say let him do it. Normally I'd be the LAST person to say that..but right now, Israel has bigger fish to fry, like survival.
16 posted on 10/03/2002 11:48:45 AM PDT by goodieD
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To: xyggyx
I think he was busted living with a guy, then kicked out of the military...

I thought gays were allowed in the Israeli military - or were those two separate events?
18 posted on 10/03/2002 1:34:19 PM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: Stone Mountain
Apparently it was Even who, after being fired for being gay, testified before the parliament and got the rules changed.
19 posted on 10/03/2002 1:43:38 PM PDT by anguish
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To: anguish
Thanks - my mistake - I guess I skipped over that part in the article the first time through...
20 posted on 10/03/2002 1:46:26 PM PDT by Stone Mountain
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