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NJSC Dems can replace Tori's on ballot - Pubbies appealing

Posted on 10/02/2002 2:57:31 PM PDT by Liz

Pubbies may try for stay in circuit court.


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To: RoseofTexas
The second ammendment is becoming more important every day.
341 posted on 10/02/2002 5:06:21 PM PDT by MonroeDNA
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To: mystery-ak
"Who are you?" Interesting question. On the Internet I am the (More er Less) Honorable Billybob, cyberCongressman from Western Carolina. In real life I am J. Armor, Esq., mild-mannered lawyer in the US Supreme Court.

My 17th brief in that Court will be either the Forrester case or the Campaign Finance Case, whichever the Court takes first. The other one will be my 18th. My positions in that Court are mostly in accord with the thinking of most FReepers. And I have a good record of success.

I also write books and articles, and give exceedingly dull lectures on constitutional law. And I am a husband, father and grandfather, who lives on top of a mountain in the Blue Ridge. Is that enough information?

Congressman Billybob

Click for "Til Death Do Us Part."

Click for "to Restore Trust in America"

Click for "Death as a Political Strategy"

342 posted on 10/02/2002 5:10:20 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: Liz
I couldn't watch the hearing today. Did any of the GOP lawyers talk to the issue of basic fairness to Forrester?

He has spent months and millions to defeat Torch. Torch has spent months and millions to defeat Forrester, and has upwards of $6M which the incoherent Lousenburg will be able to use to continue the battle.

But Forrester has to regroup and craft a completely new campaign to defeat a completely new opponent...where Lousenburg simply has to pick up where Torch left off...using Torch's cash. All the time, effort and $$$$$$ already spent by Forrester is wasted and can't be recouped.
343 posted on 10/02/2002 5:10:38 PM PDT by sdkhaki
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To: Congressman Billybob
Will Forrester be going on behalf of himself or the RNC? Either way, it pro bono time for the best and brightest in Pubbie legaldom.

Now, will the RNC and WH come out blazing and give Forrester all the help he needs, and leave lesser candidates to fend for themselves?
344 posted on 10/02/2002 5:10:44 PM PDT by habs4ever
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To: CharacterCounts
"Of course last year it was a Rebublican making the request, so that makes all of the difference in the world."

It surely does with the highly politicized NJ Supreme Court. I just don't read the statute as mandatory. It gives them wriggle room. NJ's Todd-Whitman even appointed some *democrat* judges to NJ Supreme Court a while ago. This is what we've harvested.

I'm not saying it doesn't suck. I'm not saying it does reek to high heaven. I'm saying a legal challenge won't work here, as matter of legal craft. I regret my conclusion.
345 posted on 10/02/2002 5:11:50 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: andy58-in-nh
WELL, wait just one cotton pick'in minute here, a light bulb just went on in my head.....IF the UNIONS run everything there, WHY was THE BIG CROOK falling like a rock in the polls there? Knowing that Forrester is a republican, the public there were willing to give him a shot at the BIG ENCHILADA aka the SENATE seat of all MOTHER SEATS! Perhaps there is a LIGHT at the end of the tunnel after all!! :)
346 posted on 10/02/2002 5:12:10 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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To: Congressman Billybob
Thanks! I'm not the one who asked but I enjoyed the bio. . .
347 posted on 10/02/2002 5:13:19 PM PDT by enough
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To: mlo
Governor McGreevey appointing someone to the Senate -- after Torricelli resigned as a Senator, which he has not done, yet -- was the fall-back position for the Democrats if the NJ SC ruled against the name change. That option obviously no longer applies.

Billybob

348 posted on 10/02/2002 5:13:28 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob
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To: Congressman Billybob
Thanks for the quick reply, especially when you MUST be VERY busy! I think I want to start another thread, listing all of the people who have been harmed by this decision...

Any other people who have just been burned that we're forgetting?

349 posted on 10/02/2002 5:14:48 PM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Truth29
"We had better win now because the next time there is a Democrat President or if Bush is able to push through broad illegal alien amnesty, the demographics will be so slanted against the GOP that the dems will never again lose national control."

I've heard that argument before -- like from my boyfriend *every* night. And every night -- de ja vu here -- I tell him that he's wrong because Latinos are going to be great Republican voters if the Republicans play their cards right. Latinos have very conservative social values in many parts of the country, very church-going, and they don't feel they *have* to belong to the Democratic party.

Courting the Latino vote is one of the things President Bush is doing EXACTLY right. Not pandering. Courting.

I also think, unlike I realize a lot of people here, that African-Americans will not necessarily vote lockstep with the Democratic party of the future.

I'm not afraid of the demographics. If the Republican party truly remains the party of merit-based promotion and the party of opportunity, people will find their way to us.
350 posted on 10/02/2002 5:15:02 PM PDT by FreeTheHostages
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To: Congressman Billybob
Two questions:

What happens to the votes that have already come into NJ counties?

What about the military votes?
351 posted on 10/02/2002 5:15:11 PM PDT by Brytani
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To: Congressman Billybob
Yes....quite a resume...I have great respect for your posts.
In fact when I see your name in the threads I click to see what you have to say.
I hope you don't think Im too forward.

btw...can you get me Ben Ginsberg autograph?....LOL

352 posted on 10/02/2002 5:18:16 PM PDT by mystery-ak
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To: Congressman Billybob
Governor McGreevey appointing someone to the Senate -- after Torricelli resigned as a Senator, which he has not done, yet -- was the fall-back position for the Democrats if the NJ SC ruled against the name change. That option obviously no longer applies.

Right, but you said he would appoint someone until 2004. Anyone should know that he can only appoint someone to finish THIS term, which ends in January. Even the Democrats know that, and know that it wouldn't be debatable. It was absurd to claim they would do such a thing.

353 posted on 10/02/2002 5:18:27 PM PDT by mlo
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To: Liz
Thomas Jefferson on the judiciary

"The new Constitution has secured these [individual rights] in the Executive and Legislative departments: but not in the Judiciary. It should have established trials by the people themselves, that is to say, by jury."

The Judiciary of the United States is the subtle corps of sappers and miners constantly working under ground to undermine the foundations of our confederated fabric." (1820)

"…the Federal Judiciary; an irresponsible body (for impeachment is scarcely a scarecrow), working like gravity by night and by day, gaining a little today and a little tomorrow, and advancing its noiseless step like a thief, over the field of jurisdiction, until all shall be usurped from the States, and the government of all be consolidated into one….when all government … in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the center of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated. (1821)

"The opinion which gives to the judges the right to decide what laws are constitutional and what not, not only for themselves in their own sphere of action, but for the legislative and executive also in their spheres, would make the judiciary a despotic branch.

"…judges should be withdrawn from the bench whose erroneous biases are leading to dissolution. It may, indeed, injure them in fame or fortune; but it saves the Republic…"
354 posted on 10/02/2002 5:19:48 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: MonroeDNA
I am so depressed. What is becoming of our Country. When did the law not matter?

I watch and listen to all the things going on -

U.S. congressmen bashing the President in an enemy country.

Judges ruling against the law

And all the things that are going on in this Country that make it more likely that another terrorist attack with occur because of all of the political correctness that for some reason we can not let go of!

Now the democrats will contest every election, change candidates at will and do whatever that please in the name of liberalism or what I call communist. When are the American people going to wake up and demand that things are changed?

355 posted on 10/02/2002 5:20:54 PM PDT by dhfnc
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To: All
It seems to me that one way to get a silver lining out of all this is for everyone across the US immediately to take every public advantage to put every elected Democrat Congresscritter on the spot to answer whether or not they support the NJ Democrats and activist NJSC on this issue.

Along this line of thinking...

Anyone have the US Code cite for the 45 day rule for overseas servicepeople?

What are the known issuances of support by the DNC for the NJSC opinion? (I don't see anything beyond Sept. 30 for NJ on its web site.)

If the local Democrats answer that they are not aware of the controversy, either point them to the DNC (if it has issued a relevant statement by then) or just hammer away at the need to respect the one-person one-vote rule by disallowing appointed candidates.

I think the Demos have exhausted their strategies and are now down to triage. The weakness is that it won't play well nationwide.

356 posted on 10/02/2002 5:21:49 PM PDT by SteveH
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To: All
Did anyone else watch Laurie Dhue on the news just before the O'Reilly Factor ??

Maybe my ears failed me, but I could have sworn she said that the USSC would hear this case tomorrow...

OK --- I'm probably losing it --- did anyone else hear something like this ???

357 posted on 10/02/2002 5:24:16 PM PDT by coder2
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To: SteveH
You at least have a good idea about asking every Demo what he thinks of the ruling.

Someone, please give me a glimmer of hope - I am really down! Just don't know what to think!

358 posted on 10/02/2002 5:25:47 PM PDT by dhfnc
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To: Liz
About 10 or 12 years ago we had a Republican Gubernatorial candidate accused of sexual misconduct. He dropped out of the race and the man who came in second in the primary, Arne Carlson, was allowed to run in the general election. All of this took place in the week or so prior to the general election. Arne Carlson won.

My guess is the US Supreme Court will either not hear the NJ case or will find the NJ Supreme Court can decide what they want. There just doesn't seem to be many federal laws that have been broken.

I do believe this decision is catastrophic for future elections and the integrity of the system. Essentially, they pulled Toricelli because he was behind in the polls. He never would have been pulled if he was ahead or just a little behind.

Will NJ vote Lautenberg back in? Well they voted for a man who spent 68 million so I guess the answer is yes.

359 posted on 10/02/2002 5:25:59 PM PDT by shrinkermd
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To: Liz
Once again we see that Democrats and lawlessness are one in the same. I am too angry to say much, can't do it in a lady like manner.
360 posted on 10/02/2002 5:26:30 PM PDT by ladyinred
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