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Posted on 10/02/2002 10:31:15 AM PDT by XGMan
Congressmen Jim McDermott and David Bonior have "MISLED" the American people about their Vietnam service.
During their Baghdad press conference, both McDermott and Bonior touted their Vietnam combat service, while calling President Bush a liar and praising Sadam Hussein's openness and cooperation.
Upon returning to the U.S., the two congressmen held a press conference and again highlighted their Vietnam combat service, as an obvious measure to boost their qualifications to remark on the horrors of war.
Following the news conference, McDermott appeared on MSNBC and once again clearly established at the onset of the interview that he had served in Vietnam.
And most recently, Major Garrett of Fox News reported that he had just talked with Bonoir and McDermott, and noted that both of them had "fought in the Vietnam War"
But easily available evidence indicates neither of them ever left the safety of the CONUS.
According to Congress Merge Online, McDermott's military experience is shown as:
Professional Experience (including Military):
Long Beach Naval Station, US Navy Medical Corps,1968-70
Private Practitioner, 1970-87
According to the Detroit Free Press (May 18, 2002), Bonoir's military experience is:
"...He enlisted in the Air Force after receiving his draft notice because enlisting meant he had more control over where he might be stationed; getting drafted most likely would mean being sent to Vietnam. He served in California in 1968-72 and earned his master's degree at the same time."
Why the press blindly buys off on what these two traitors say is incredible.
Just a couple of the standard journalism questions would show these two as the liars and traitors they really are:
When were you in Vietnam?
What campaign/service ribbons were you awarded?
Why are you lying about Vietnam combat service, when both of you spent your military time in the State of California ?
Just maybe someone from the press will see this and take the both of them to task.
xgman and ex82nd Airborne
Yes, big difference between serving during Vietnam and serving in Vietnam.
You could have had a sense of pride for putting your life on the line for your country. I know it's not your fault that you did not go to Vietnam but don't consider yourself "lucky" that you did not see combat. I consider myself "lucky" that I did.
Vietnam 72-73
Likewise ... served in the USMC 1964-'67. Barely out of Marine boot camp when the Gulf of Tonkin incident occurred in August of '64 ... the following March the first Marines to arrive in Vietnam, as a large scale unit, made an amphibious landing at Da Nang. I, on the other hand, was making an amphibious landing (as part of a Battalion Landing Team attached to the 6th Fleet in the Med) on Corsica. When I got back from my 6 month deployment to the Med I had orders for WESTPAC (south east Asia) ... however, they were changed at the last moment and I was re-assigned to another unit ramping up for a Med deployment. After returning from that cruise I had less than a year left in service ... in other words to short for 'Nam.
Please note - The California Campaign is NOT recognized.
Established by order of the President on 01 Oct 1965, for service in Vietnam and contiguous waters or airspace after 03 Jul 1965 and through 28 Mar 1973. Service in direct support of Vietnam from Thailand, Laos, and Cambodia is also eligible.
One bronze service star may be worn for each campaign; one silver service star in lieu of five bronze:
Advisory -- 15 Mar 1962-07 Mar 1965
Defense -- 08 Mar 1965-24 Dec 1965
Counteroffensive -- 25 Dec 1965-30 Jun 1966
Counteroffensive, Phase II -- 01 Jul 1966-31 May 1967
Counteroffensive, Phase III -- 01 Jun 1967-29 Jan 1968
Tet Counterofensive -- 30 Jan 1968-01 Apr 1968
Counteroffensive, Phase IV -- 02 Apr 1968-30 Jun 1968
Counteroffensive, Phase V -- 01 Jul 1968-01 Nov 1968
Counteroffensive, Phase VI -- 02 Nov 1968-22 Feb 1969
Tet 69 Counteroffensive -- 23 Feb 1969-08 Jun 1969
Summer-Fall 1969 -- 09 Jun 1969-31 Oct 1969
Winter-Spring 1970 -- 01 Nov 69-30 Apr 1970
Sanctuary Counteroffensive -- 01 May 1970-30 Jun 1970
Counteroffensive, Phase VII -- 01 Jul 1970-30 Jun 1971
Consolidation I -- 01 Jul 1971-30 Nov 1971
Consolidation II -- 01 Dec 1971-29 Mar 1972
Cease-Fire -- 30 Mar 1972-28 Jan 1973
Semper Fi
Associated Press (Originally published October 23, 2001)
WASHINGTON -- As a Navy psychiatrist during the Vietnam War, Rep. Jim McDermott determined whether young men were fit to fight. The job left him with a distaste for war and an appetite for politics
McDermott, 64, spent two years in Vietnam and saw a long line of soldiers who felt the government wasn't behind them. The experience shaped his life and his political philosophy.
After Vietnam, McDermott moved to Seattle in 1970 and almost immediately won a seat in the state Legislature. After 14 years and three unsuccessful bids for governor, he went to Zaire to practice psychiatry in 1987
FULL A.P. ARTICLE: copy/paste---- http://www.usvtc.org/News/2001/October%202001/oct23_vietnam_days_shape_lawmaker.htm
As to whether I'm "lucky" to have missed combat, age and perspective has tempered my outlook.
I was really gung ho to serve in Vietnam when I entered, but it never happened. Request denied.
Evidently, God had other plans for me, and I will simply go where assigned and do the job given me.
"Progressive" is a code word for socialist, note that Sanders of VT is an officer.
Why these people are allowed to get on national TV and not disclose or be asked by the press reagrding their membership in a socialist organization is beyond me.
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Address | Phone | Website |
| Peter DeFazio (OFFICER, OREGON-04) |
2134 RHOB | 225-6416 | WEBSITE |
| Dennis Kucinich (Chairman) (CHAIR, OHIO-10) |
1730 LHOB | 225-5871 | WEBSITE |
| Barbara Lee (Vice Chair) (OFFICER, CALIFORNIA-09) |
426 CHOB | 225-2661 | WEBSITE |
| Cynthia McKinney (OFFICER, GEORGIA-04) |
124 CHOB | 225-1605 | WEBSITE |
| Major Owens (OFFICER, NEW YORK-11) |
2309 RHOB | 225-6231 | WEBSITE |
| Bernie Sanders (OFFICER, VERMONT) |
2135 RHOB | 225-4115 | WEBSITE |
| Paul Wellstone (OFFICER, MINNESOTA) |
136 HSOB | 224-5641 | WEBSITE |
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| Member/Position/District |
Address | Phone | Website |
| Neil Abercrombie (MEMBER, HAWAII-01) |
1502 LHOB | 225-2726 | WEBSITE |
| Tammy Baldwin (MEMBER, WISCONSIN-02) |
1022 LHOB | 225-2906 | WEBSITE |
| Xavier Becerra (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-30) |
1119 LHOB | 225-6235 | WEBSITE |
| David Bonior (MEMBER, MICHIGAN-10) |
2207 RHOB | 225-2106 | WEBSITE |
| Corrine Brown (MEMBER, FLORIDA-03) |
2444 RHOB | 225-0123 | WEBSITE |
| Sherrod Brown (MEMBER, OHIO-13) |
2438 RHOB | 225-3401 | WEBSITE |
| Michael Capuano (MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-08) |
1232 LHOB | 225-5111 | WEBSITE |
| Julia Carson (MEMBER, INDIANA-10) |
1339 LHOB | 225-4011 | WEBSITE |
| William "Lacy" Clay (MEMBER, MISSOURI-01) |
415 CHOB | 225-2406 | WEBSITE |
| John Conyers (MEMBER, MICHIGAN-14) |
2426 RHOB | 225-5126 | WEBSITE |
| Danny Davis (MEMBER, ILLINOIS-07) |
1222 LHOB | 225-5006 | WEBSITE |
| Rosa DeLauro (MEMBER, CONNECTICUT-03) |
2262 RHOB | 225-3661 | WEBSITE |
| Lane Evans (MEMBER, ILLINOIS-17) |
2211 RHOB | 225-5905 | WEBSITE |
| Eni Faleomavaega (MEMBER, AMERICAN SAMOA) |
2422 RHOB | 225-8577 | WEBSITE |
| Sam Farr (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-17) |
1221 LHOB | 225-2861 | WEBSITE |
| Chaka Fattah (MEMBER, PENNSYLVANIA-02) |
1205 LHOB | 225-4001 | WEBSITE |
| Bob Filner (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-50) |
2463 RHOB | 225-8045 | WEBSITE |
| Barney Frank (MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-04) |
2252 RHOB | 225-5931 | WEBSITE |
| Luis Gutierrez (MEMBER, ILLINOIS-04) |
2452 RHOB | 225-8203 | WEBSITE |
| Earl Hilliard (MEMBER, ALABAMA-07) |
1314 LHOB | 225-2665 | WEBSITE |
| Maurice Hinchey (MEMBER, NEW YORK-26) |
2431 RHOB | 225-6335 | WEBSITE |
| Jesse Jackson, Jr (MEMBER, ILLINOIS-02) |
313 CHOB | 225-0773 | |
| Sheila Jackson-Lee (MEMBER, TEXAS-18) |
403 CHOB | 225-3816 | WEBSITE |
| Stephanie Tubbs Jones (MEMBER, OHIO-11) |
1516 LHOB | 225-7032 | WEBSITE |
| Marcy Kaptur (MEMBER, OHIO-09) |
2366 RHOB | 225-4146 | WEBSITE |
| Tom Lantos (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-12) |
2217 RHOB | 225-3531 | WEBSITE |
| John Lewis (MEMBER, GEORGIA-05) |
343 CHOB | 225-3801 | WEBSITE |
| Jim McDermott (MEMBER, WASHINGTON-07) |
1035 LHOB | 225-3106 | WEBSITE |
| James P. McGovern (MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-03) |
430 CHOB | 225-6101 | WEBSITE |
| Carrie Meek (MEMBER, FLORIDA-17) |
2433 RHOB | 225-4506 | WEBSITE |
| George Miller (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-07) |
2205 RHOB | 225-2095 | WEBSITE |
| Patsy Mink (MEMBER, HAWAII-02) |
2210 RHOB | 225-4906 | WEBSITE |
| Jerry Nadler (MEMBER, NEW YORK-08) |
2334 RHOB | 225-5635 | WEBSITE |
| Eleanor Holmes Norton (MEMBER, D.C.) |
2136 RHOB | 225-8050 | WEBSITE |
| John Olver (MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-01) |
1027 LHOB | 225-5335 | WEBSITE |
| Ed Pastor (MEMBER, ARIZONA-02) |
2465 RHOB | 225-4065 | WEBSITE |
| Donald Payne (MEMBER, NEW JERSEY-10) |
2209 RHOB | 225-3436 | WEBSITE |
| Nancy Pelosi (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-08) |
2457 RHOB | 225-4965 | WEBSITE |
| Bobby Rush (MEMBER, ILLINOIS-01) |
2416 RHOB | 225-4372 | WEBSITE |
| Jan Schakowsky (MEMBER, ILLINOIS-09) |
515 CHOB | 225-2111 | WEBSITE |
| Jose Serrano (MEMBER, NEW YORK-16) |
2342 RHOB | 225-4361 | WEBSITE |
| Hilda Solis (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-31) |
1641 LHOB | 225-5464 | WEBSITE |
| Pete Stark (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-13) |
239 CHOB | 225-5065 | WEBSITE |
| Bennie Thompson (MEMBER, MISSISSIPPI-02) |
2432 RHOB | 225-5876 | WEBSITE |
| John Tierney (MEMBER, MASSACHUSETTS-06) |
120 CHOB | 225-8020 | WEBSITE |
| Tom Udall (MEMBER, NEW MEXICO-03) |
502 CHOB | 225-6190 | WEBSITE |
| Nydia Velazquez (MEMBER, NEW YORK-12) |
2241 RHOB | 225-2361 | WEBSITE |
| Maxine Waters (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-35) |
2344 RHOB | 225-2201 | WEBSITE |
| Diane Watson (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-32) |
2413 RHOB | 225-7084 | WEBSITE |
| Mel Watt (MEMBER, NORTH CAROLINA-12) |
2236 RHOB | 225-1510 | WEBSITE |
| Henry Waxman (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-29) |
2204 RHOB | 225-3976 | WEBSITE |
| Lynn Woolsey (MEMBER, CALIFORNIA-06) |
2263 RHOB | 225-5161 | WEBSITE |
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Congressional Progressive Caucus
He can't join the VFW or American Legion either.
http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:LYFpPIjLNIUC:www.congressmerge.com/onlinedb/cgi-bin/memberbio.cgi%3Fmember%3DWA07%26site%3Dcongressmerge+jim++mcdermott++congress++&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Remember Admiral Boarda(sp) killed him self(wink, wink)
supposedly because he wore a decoration he was not entitled to.
All the CNO staff flew into the combat region at least once a month
because any salary was tax exempt, if you served one day in the
combat zone. I was Navy and was in little danger, but wages
were tax free.
Everyone who served in the theater recieved
the Armed Forces Expeditionary ribbon, whether they saw combat or not.
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