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China’s Military Planners Took Credit for 9/11
NewsMax ^ | 9/25/02 | John O. Edwards

Posted on 09/24/2002 8:51:32 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

Soon after the horrific attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon, two high-ranking Chinese military planners took credit for the 9/11 attacks – and were even hailed as national heroes in China. In fact, three years before 9/11, the Chinese colonels had proposed the attacks and cited Osama bin Laden by name in their book "Unrestricted Warfare.” (Click Here for more info on book.)

The authors of "Unrestricted Warfare” are Senior Cols. Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui, and in 1999 they wrote that an attack by bin Laden on the World Trade Center would be just the type of "unrestricted warfare” that could bring down America.

The book was published by China’s People’s Liberation Army and had the endorsement of the Chinese government.

"Unrestricted Warfare” makes clear its purpose: offering China and other "weak” countries a strategy to destroy the U.S. without a full-scale invasion, using unusual or "asymmetrical” warfare.

NewsMax has recently obtained the CIA translation of this astounding book and has made it available with an introduction by Al Santoli, editor of the prestigious China Reform Monitor.

The importance of this book was highlighted soon after 9/11, when the Chinese colonels were treated as national heroes.

In one interview with the Chinese government-owned Ta Kung Pao newspaper in Hong Kong, the colonels offered little sympathy for the Americans killed in 9/11.

They told the paper, "The series of attacks taking place in the United States were very dreary and terrifying, but they must not be viewed from a single perspective” – that is, the U.S. as victims. The colonels then added coldly that the Americans "were victims of U.S. foreign policy.”

The colonels were quick to take credit for the attacks on the World Trade Center, telling the paper their strategy had worked and that "September 11, 2001 very likely is the beginning of the decline of the United States, as a superpower."

Qiao and Wang offer in "Unrestricted Warfare” several new methods for destroying the U.S. – from manipulating U.S. media, to homicide-suicide bombing, to using immigrants as a fifth column, and even employing cyber attacks to destroy America’s critical infrastructure.

Both colonels agreed that the unconventional attacks of 9/11 were right from the pages of their book, and they demonstrated their theory works. "The attacks demonstrated the United States' fragility and weakness and showed that essentially it is unable to stand attacks. ... The United States, a giant tiger, has been dealing with mice; unexpectedly, this time it was bitten by mice – it has been wielding a large hammer but has been unable to find the flea.

"From a short-term perspective, the attacks in the United States will very likely have some effect on China's economy – they might affect China's economic growth. However, from a long-term viewpoint, they could be favorable to China."

"Unrestricted Warfare” has set of alarm bells among several high-ranking U.S. officers.

Adm. Thomas Moorer, former chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff, warns, "'Unrestricted Warfare' reveals China’s game plan in its coming war with America.” He adds ominously, "China thinks it can destroy America by using these tactics.”

Maj. Gen. John K. Singlaub, former chief of staff of U.S. Forces Korea, shares Adm. Moorer’s view.

"The 9/11 attacks may just be the beginning. Many terrorist nations and groups will try to imitate this operation,” Gen. Singlaub said, noting "China’s war book 'Unrestricted Warfare' will be their text.”


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 911; alqaeda; britain; china; india; israel; pakistan; turkey; unitedstates
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To: JasonC
Nonsense, of course assymmetric warfare is possible against non-democratic governments.

I apologize, I should have stated the obvious:
I was addressing the specific flavor of asymmetic warfare that this thread presented, the surrogate attack by a small foreign group representing another foreign group.

I other words, imagine all the mideastern nut jobs taking flying lessons in China and sneaking in for years undocumented; or scraming daily messages from mosques about the destruction of Chinese society...
I find that inconceiveable.

Internal dissent, resistance, assasination and intrigue is a whole other thing.

61 posted on 09/25/2002 11:04:27 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: Stavka2
The point is to avoid a war. Gulf I showed the Soviet military (mostly) that the classical war fighting machines, the ones they had prepared so well (better than the US or NATO) were OBSOLETE, the nature of war itself had changed, so why should the Russian people continue to suffer deprivations in a struggle which could not be won by military means?

It is difficult to imagine a war in Baghdad where a cruise missile is following a street map and destroys a military headquarters while regular civilians are going about their everyday business undisturbed...

This book from the Chinese makes the same point.

However, should it ever come to war, I maintain that China will split up from its own internal pressures if Beijing and/or the upper Communist bureaucracy were destroyed or were to disappear.

The US would NOT split up. Loosing the west coast would be a severe blow to the US economy and it would in fact take a long while to recover, but it would be DECADES before China would re-form as a modern nation if it lost Beijing/Shanghai/Dalien.

The day of the warlords would return...

62 posted on 09/25/2002 11:57:54 AM PDT by chilepepper
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To: Publius6961
Internal dissent et al have been promoted from abroad by foreign enemies of various states since the dawn of time, and are the oldest form of "assymmetric warfare". Including direct recruitment of "host" country civilians, infiltration of agents, material and intel support, etc.

The truth is the Chinese are happy about our being distracted by Islamic terrorists, and perhaps even wish they had thought of it. But they didn't. Which is not to say that Islamic terrorists act entirely alone. On the contrary, they have support from a number of radical states, and those radical states in turn were the recipients of decades of "troublemaking" support by our cold war adversaries. But the Chinese didn't create, train, or fund Bin Laden.

In case everybody forgot, we did. To wage assymmetric warfare against the Soviet Union in Afghanistan. Successfully.

63 posted on 09/25/2002 12:10:12 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: JasonC
Exactly right.

I find the book (those parts I've read so far) VERY interesting as insight into the Chinese mind. However, I find a curious flaw in their thinking, a certain lack or creativity when they try to ascribe some general pseudo-mystical advantage in doing things by the "golden mean" or by the ration of "0.618".

This is exactly the sort of brittle thinking Americans tend to avoid. If there is a war with China they will be hit by ways that don't harmonize with some bizarre (even if interesting) logic arising from Confuscus or Lao-Tzu...we read Sun-Tsu as well as Bismark, Metternich, Rommel and Zhukov.

The American way is: if you mess with us, we will take revenge on you and you WON'T do it again...

64 posted on 09/25/2002 12:10:18 PM PDT by chilepepper
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Nuke 'em

Seconded.

65 posted on 09/25/2002 12:11:37 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: Stavka2
China couldn't beat Vietnam in the immediate neighborhood (1979). These days they'd have trouble with India, and in air and sea terms even against Taiwan, short of using nukes. The idea they could beat the US as long as the fight is close to them is laughable. In Korea, Chinese losses ran over 20 times US ones, not 10 times (we lost less than 50K, they lost over 1 million. They did well early but Matt Ridgeway soon found their Achilles heel - logistics - and how to exploit it - a firepower based flexible defense). The US had less "unfettered air dominance" than it does today, not least because the Russians helped out with MiG-15s later on in the war.

Also, the "yellow peril" story is rather silly. China has only 4 times the US population - and 1/10th the per capita wealth - not 20 times. And the US has as regional allies little countries like Japan (#2 economy in the world), India (#2 population in the world), plus a rich assortment of middle-weights (Korea, Taiwan, Australia, Thailand - with Vietnam a wild card but hardly friends of China). China has - North Korea, where the people eat bark and flee *to* Chinese tyranny for a breath of fresh air.

The coalition against Chinese dominance of east Asia has half again China's population, 10 times her economy, and more like 15 times her military potential. The US navy and air force are 10 times as large and more than 10 times as effective, Japan's twice more, India equal, Taiwan and South Korea as much again between them, and the rest of the smaller ones probably as much again. The limited role of China in the region is not a result of Chinese forbearance but ordinary deterence by superior powers. The Chinese role in the region is rising, because Japan is stagnating and China's relative backwardness is decreasing - but it is a lesser power than Japan, let alone us.

They dream of more now, of "punching above their weight", as they have since early in the century. The Chinese have a long history of big mouths and high concepts in place of big defense budgets and high air cover. The US is a paper tiger, remember? Mao's guerilla warfare ideas would make conventional military power irrelevant, remember? That is why the US lost the Korean war, and then lost the cold war. The truth of the matter is fifth column "useful idiots" here at home were behind the only successes their side scored. Or in other words, -we- can defeat ourselves (and sometimes have), but they sure can't.

67 posted on 09/25/2002 12:32:19 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
it has been wielding a large hammer but has been unable to find the flea.

Unless I'm mistaken, even fleas are killed by massive amounts of radiation.

68 posted on 09/25/2002 12:39:25 PM PDT by HeadOn
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Qiao and Wang offer in "Unrestricted Warfare” several new methods for destroying the U.S. – from manipulating U.S. media, to homicide-suicide bombing, to using immigrants as a fifth column, and even employing cyber attacks to destroy America’s critical infrastructure.

It sounds as though the DNC has an advance copy. The only thing on the list that they haven't been using for the past ten years is the cyber attack.

69 posted on 09/25/2002 12:45:28 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
China is a hollow shell - and they don't even realize it. If they succeed in destroying us, they will have destroyed themselves, because they need us for economic reasons much more than we need them. From all I hear, the social problems inherent to China are so bad, that they are overripe for a nasty little revolution.
70 posted on 09/25/2002 12:54:25 PM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Gee, a misleading and distorted article from NewsMax. Who would have thought it?
71 posted on 09/25/2002 12:59:03 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
bttt
72 posted on 09/25/2002 3:05:11 PM PDT by Pagey
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To: JasonC
Hmm, lets see: Korean War, actually, when you consider that the US was not the only player and that almost a half a million other soldiers from the UN and ROK troops died, that evens the odds quite a bit on the body kill.

As for the rest: Japan, will not attack. S. Korea, in such an instance would probably be swamped by the N. Korean offensive. US Fleet...yup, if all the ships had enough men and were pulled out of every other theater...those immediately deployable are a much, much smaller force... As for population, how do you figure 4 times...lets see math: US 270 million, China 1.5 billion...more along the lines of 6 to 1 and still growing.

As for Vietnam, you are right, they did run out of logistics and the hard Vietnamese defense...after all, these guys had just beaten the US, they had plenty of experience. As for India...the Chinese handed the Indians their arse.

Not defending China here, but lets keep facts closer to reality, shall we?

Lastly...maybe I missed something...but when exactly did the US win the Korean War? The armestece is still in effect, not a peace treaty and no surrender....history!

73 posted on 09/25/2002 4:08:05 PM PDT by Stavka2
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To: bat-boy
Fine, be ready old man...and like so many others, you'll die a disappointed old bugger who never got to live his Red Dawn dreams....what ever. Seen enough Cold War rejects...most don't know quite as nearly as much about what is going on as they think they do...but then again, why bust their retirement bubble.....good day...enjoy serving the Saudies. At least in Russia, they know who the real enemy is: the Saudies and there's no BS about the feel good Religion of Peace crap. But whatever, don't dig your bunker to deep, you might end up in China.
74 posted on 09/25/2002 4:18:06 PM PDT by Stavka2
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To: chilepepper
Actually, quite the opposite, the Gulf War 1 showed that tank warfare as was trained for is quite effective and correct. The bombing crap hardly touched any of the line units. The reason that the average Iraq surrendered had more to do with forced conscription and lack of food. Most of the armor units lost very few machines, until they were flanked and attacked on the ground. But don't forget, it was 1990 US tech against 1970's Soviet EXPORT tech. The Iraqies didn't even have DU rounds...and in the end: They Are ARABS, after all.
75 posted on 09/25/2002 4:21:10 PM PDT by Stavka2
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To: chilepepper
The Serbs proved the value of the "smart" munitions. US dropped $5 billion in bombs and managed to destroy 5 tanks and 13 IFVs...not a very good trade off.
76 posted on 09/25/2002 4:22:11 PM PDT by Stavka2
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To: bat-boy
BUMP
77 posted on 09/25/2002 4:28:31 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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To: Stavka2
I am/was deeply suspicious of Clinton and accept NOTHING that happened in Serbia/Kosovo at face value. I cannot find ANY justification for it happening in the first place (other than - and even this is a stretch - local U.S. political appearances) and I am deeply suspicious of every "fact" that comes out about its outcome. My conspiracy side thinks that Clinton had all these munitions used up and was completely uninterested in the outcome: e.g.- the point wasn't to blow up Serbian tanks, the point was to use up expensive smart bombs.

Remember that Clinton stacked the U.S. Military with incompetent perfumed princes more interested in beret fashion and feminist/gay rights than in esprit de corps.

What happened in Serbia/Kosovo takes nothing away from what happened in Iraq in GWI, and the devastating effect of cruise missiles wiping out command bunkers and A10s taking out entire columns of tanks at a time...

78 posted on 09/25/2002 4:41:47 PM PDT by chilepepper
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To: bat-boy
read jeff heads books!
79 posted on 09/25/2002 4:43:50 PM PDT by SCARED
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To: Stavka2
I'm far from old. I haven't even hit forty yet. I may be permanently f*&^3ed up from my time in the service, but I can still shoot, move and communicate, albeit not as quick as I once could.

Actually I will not die disappointed if nothing happens. I have an eight year old son and 22 month old daughter. I would like to see them grow up in peace. I am not a war monger.

As far as not knowing as much as I think, you may be right. Only time will tell. One thing is for sure though and that is I owe it to my family to be ready for any contengency. While others on this forum are shaking in boots and begging for the government to protect them, I have taken responsibility for my families protection. If more people would do this then maybe they wouldn't be so eager to let the government get away with as much as they are getting away with.

80 posted on 09/25/2002 4:53:16 PM PDT by bat-boy
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