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China’s Military Planners Took Credit for 9/11
NewsMax ^ | 9/25/02 | John O. Edwards

Posted on 09/24/2002 8:51:32 PM PDT by Tumbleweed_Connection

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To: NoMercy
Your comments are not only odd, but factually inaccurate.

Jiang Zemin never gave this book to Clinton or Bush.

41 posted on 09/25/2002 6:55:13 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Unrestricted what? From apes in China who care to use muslims instead of their own people upfront to carry an attack? Looks like to me there is a wimp factor in their "warfare".
42 posted on 09/25/2002 7:00:15 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: PhilDragoo
Thanks for the link.
43 posted on 09/25/2002 7:03:43 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: Annakin
Thank you for the flag. I agree this is very big. But I think I might draw different conclusions than some from the information presented.
44 posted on 09/25/2002 7:58:25 AM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
I've been puzzled as to WHY the U.S. would want to take out Saddam. My perception has been that he is pretty weak.

This article changes all that... Saddam will be taken out as an object lesson to the Chinese, just as Gulf War #1 was an object lesson to the Russians.

China is great as a source of tents from WalMart, even as a source of motherboards and DVD drives. But they delude themselves if they think they can go one on one with our armed forces...

Buying or building aircraft carriers won't be enough...

45 posted on 09/25/2002 8:06:49 AM PDT by chilepepper
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To: jdogbearhunter
DAMN! ---- hell if I can find it....!!!


DAMN DAMN DAMN ... perfect place and now I can't find it....

(I stashed it somewhere "safe")
46 posted on 09/25/2002 8:14:24 AM PDT by phasma proeliator
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
This article is rather poorly presented. "Taking credit" is an incindiary--and incorrect--description if you ask me. It seems that two hard-headed military men in China accurately predicted a certain scenario. That is what hard-headed military men are supposed to do.

Furthermore, one cannot help but wish that these two generals had been advising the US government since the 12 trillion dollars that we have invested in national defense and security since WWII didn't seem to help us against the jihadists.

When the article states that the two generals were treated as national heroes in the wake of the 9-11 attacks I wonder what it is trying to convey? If a retired American general had written this book he would be a featured speaker on every TV channel and in every think tank in America. He would be treated as a savant of extraordinary value and probably given a medal for cassandra-valor. The sad question is--why DIDN'T any American generals write this book? And would anyone have listened if he had? Or would he have been cashiered for "hate" crimes against our beloved allies in the struggle against the Russians in Afghanistan?

Our country is so horribly steeped in solipsism, anti-intellectualism and sappy, feel-good, self-esteemism that we appear incapable of the kind of tough-minded, realistic, rational analysis that these two commies produced. That should scare everybody.

Also, there is nothing threatening about foreign foes making plans. That's what every country does--make plans. The REAL threat is a Government that is controlled by a globalist, de-cultured class of People whose main goal is to sell stuff to the billions of potential consumers in China. That is OUR government.

In the meantime, China is becoming more, not less nationalistic. And more masculine while we are politically dominated by a voting block consisting of elderly women and a culture which caters to the lowest and flabbiest form of feminism.

"... They told the paper, "The series of attacks taking place in the United States were very dreary and terrifying, but they must not be viewed from a single perspective” – that is, the U.S. as victims. The colonels then added coldly that the Americans "were victims of U.S. foreign policy.....”

We could use a lot more of that chinese "coldness" and a lot less diversity quilting and self-esteem building in our military, government and culture....

47 posted on 09/25/2002 8:18:47 AM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: NoMercy
"...I understand that it's painful for you guys to see something horrible described in that book come true, but you should blame Bin Laden and your leaders not the authors of that book. Americans should self-question your foreign policy. Because you as the only super power, tend to ignore other people's feelings. The authors' words may be harsh for you, but I think what they said about 9/11 is stating the fact....

Good advice.

"...There is an old Chinese saying as 'Good medicine tend to taste bitter'....

I'm afraid a suppository may be the only hope. And even then it may be too late to take...

48 posted on 09/25/2002 8:21:58 AM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: Yehuda
"...you mean people like, like, like, the leaders of Iraq, Iran, NK, PRC , SA, Syria, Lybia et al who have so much COMPASSION for their populations that they have eliminated their quests for WMD so they can feed and educate their citizens with free and unfettered knowledge of the rest of the world? ...

No, he/she means like the honeymooning Chinese couple we blew up when we bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade during our humanitarianization of the Serbs. With huge smirks on their faces Clinton administration officials slouched to the microphone to declare that they had been using "old maps" and made a boo-boo.

You see, people in the rest of the word don't hate themselves as much as we hate ourselves. And they remember.

It's called blowback...

49 posted on 09/25/2002 8:26:49 AM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: lavaroise
"...From apes in China who care to use muslims instead of their own people upfront to carry an attack? Looks like to me there is a wimp factor in their "warfare"...."

You mean like our using the Taliban to go after the Evil Emipre in Afghanistan?

50 posted on 09/25/2002 8:28:26 AM PDT by LaBelleDameSansMerci
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To: Publius6961
Nonsense, of course assymmetric warfare is possible against non-democratic governments. Tyrannies brought down by assassination cover the pages of history. Tyrannies overthrown by popular revolt likewise. In the past, democracies have had serious problems with unity against foreign attack and with civil war brought on by hyper-political faction, but nothing like the lousy track record against the techniques of "assymmetric warfare" that tyrannies have.

The first thing about tyrannies is that they have all kinds of perfectly sensible people against them from the word go, not just a few nutjobs. Does China want Taiwan and South Korea and Japan to each have the bomb? Can all the police in the world acting without scruple keep a demonstrator out of Tianamen Square? (They can clear it one-off killing a thousand of their own people, but can't stop people coming back). China also has terrorist attacks domestically from seperatists in the northwestern province.

Yes, I am well aware the whole idea is to use "openness" against us, and that the extremes of PC are not a response. I am not suggesting one oppose threats of WMD terrorism with flowers and earnestness. But the idea that simply being a bastard eliminates security threats is silly; it creates at least as many. There is a reason tyrants are paranoid. As the classics put it, it is because they "spend their lives like those condemned by all mankind to die for their injustice."

51 posted on 09/25/2002 9:07:29 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: chilepepper
Point is, short of a nuclear exchange, and if you think destroying the West Coast won't cripple America for half a centuary, you're wrong, China can defeat the US in any close proximity areas to it's borders...and that's where it will be fighting: Taiwan, Vietnam, Thialand, Siberia (hopefully not until Russia is good and ready), Korea or Mongolia. And what could the US do...kill 30 million Chinese and loose a million itself...and who would suffer more then? Hell, kill 500 million Chinese and loose 50 million Americans (the 10:1 battle losses of Korea when the US had unfettered air dominance)...and what would that do to America? See the math...not to good looking.
52 posted on 09/25/2002 9:11:24 AM PDT by Stavka2
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To: bat-boy
Uoooh you so big talker...tell you what, since you've been retired, why don't you go work for the nice Saudies, after all, they view the US as their butt boys anyways...but at least they pay, while training their sons to blow you and the misses and the kids to kingdom come...but I guess while you keep hating Russians so much, you don't have to face the reality of the US's own moral bankruptcy in catering like a bunch of lap dogs to the very people killing you.

And batts don't forget to get your prayer rug cleaned.

53 posted on 09/25/2002 9:17:11 AM PDT by Stavka2
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
No, he/she means like the honeymooning Chinese couple we blew up when we bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade during our humanitarianization of the Serbs. With huge smirks on their faces Clinton administration officials slouched to the microphone to declare that they had been using "old maps" and made a boo-boo.

You see, people in the rest of the word don't hate themselves as much as we hate ourselves. And they remember.

Did it ever occur to you that the reason the embassy was blown up was because the PRC had gotten a hold of classified material from the F-117 stealth fighter shot down right before the embassy incident?

54 posted on 09/25/2002 9:18:22 AM PDT by bat-boy
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To: bat-boy
By the way, impressive brainless answer...maybe that's why you made Ranger and not SF...since SF actually have to think for themselves.
55 posted on 09/25/2002 9:19:37 AM PDT by Stavka2
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To: steveegg
Understatement of the decade. You have 2 billion Islamists and Communists on the other side.

With several million in our midst and more arriving each day. Mr. President, seal our borders!

56 posted on 09/25/2002 9:28:23 AM PDT by varon
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To: LaBelleDameSansMerci
Our country is so horribly steeped in solipsism, anti-intellectualism and sappy, feel-good, self-esteemism that we appear incapable of the kind of tough-minded, realistic, rational analysis that these two commies produced. That should scare everybody.

As Gertz's book "Breakdown" reveals, this is not true. The analysis is and has been there. It's the management that refuses to pass on non-PC analysis that is the problem. Of course, one year after 9/11 and these so called managers are still in positions of authority even after their inaction has caused the death of soliders in the Khobar Towers, the U.S. embassy bombings, the U.S.S. Cole bombings, as well as those killed on 9/11.

No one is doing their jobs but the grunts doing the legwork. The folks at the top of our intel community are still in place, the mid-level managers who refuse to pass along the work of our analysts are still there, and Congress, which has oversight responsibilities, refuses to assert their authority.

57 posted on 09/25/2002 9:28:42 AM PDT by bat-boy
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To: Stavka2
I didn't make SF because I never tried to make SF. I stayed a Ranger out of the love and respect I had for my grandfather, who was one of Darby's boy's in WWII. If I would have tried to become a green beret, I would have made it. SFAS is a cake walk compared to Ranger school or the Ranger battalions. SF soldiers flunk out of ranger school all the time. I've never heard of a "bat-boy" flunking SFAS, although I guess it could have happened.

The fact that you think being an NCO in an SF group requires more thought than being an NCO in a Ranger battalion just shows that you don't know WTF you are speaking of. Different missions does not make one dumber than the other. The fact that you think Ranger personnel do not participate in low intensity conflicts and/or specop missions other than their battalion METT-T tells me you have no idea about the specops community or their relationships with one another.

IOW, you don't know WTF you are talking about.

58 posted on 09/25/2002 9:55:24 AM PDT by bat-boy
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To: Stavka2
you don't have to face the reality of the US's own moral bankruptcy in catering like a bunch of lap dogs to the very people killing you

Those of us that keep on top of these things are fully aware of the shortcomings of our government and the insane attitude they hold towards the Sauds, as well as the Russians and Chinese. However, we have a country full of folks that only care about themselves and what's going on in their lives and haven't a clue as to what is happening outside of their own little sphere. They are the majority. I face this reality everyday. However, I know that the Saud's are only doing the dirty work of you Russian scum as well as the PRC. Actions speak louder than words, and the actions of your country clearly speak of you as the enemy, not an ally.

As far as going to Saudi, no thanks, I have a great job. Plus I have a mission, which is to warn those around me of the upcoming dangers we Americans will face within our own country in the near future. I have my weapons and ammo. I have my NBC shelter built. I have my provisions. I will be here to help defend and rebuild this country after the sh!t hits the fan.

Guess what comrade? There are many, many ex-Rangers, SF, Delta Force and ISA boys who are doing the same thing. Unlike the normal Joe in the USofA we know what's going on around us and we network with one another. We will be ready, just as we always have been.

59 posted on 09/25/2002 10:20:54 AM PDT by bat-boy
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To: bat-boy
BUMP
60 posted on 09/25/2002 10:49:28 AM PDT by Publius6961
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