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Don't Start the Second Gulf War
National Review Online ^ | 8-12-02 | Doug Bandow

Posted on 09/24/2002 11:51:53 AM PDT by Protagoras

Don’t Start the Second Gulf War
The case against war with Iraq.

By Doug Bandow
August 12, 2002, 9:00 a.m.

President George W. Bush says that he hasn't made up his mind about "any of our policies in regard to Iraq," but he obviously has. To not attack after spending months talking about the need for regime change is inconceivable. Unfortunately, war is not likely to be the simple and certain procedure that he and many others seem to think.

Lots of arguments have been offered on behalf of striking Baghdad that are not reasons at all. For instance, that Saddam Hussein is an evil man who has brutalized his own people.

Certainly true. But the world is full of brutal regimes that have murdered their own people. Indeed, Washington ally Turkey's treatment of its Kurds is scarcely more gentle than Iraq's Kurdish policies.

Moreover, the U.S. warmly supports the royal kleptocracy next door in Saudi Arabia, fully as totalitarian, if not quite as violent, as Saddam's government. Any non-Muslim and most women would probably prefer living in Iraq.

Also cited is Baghdad's conquest of Kuwait a dozen years ago. It is a bit late to drag that out as a justification for invading Iraq and overthrowing Saddam. He is far weaker today and has remained firmly contained.

Richard Butler, former head of the U.N. Commission on Iraq, complained to the Senate Foreign Relations that Iraq had violated international law by tossing out arms inspectors. In fact, there are often as many reasons to flout as to obey U.N. rules. Washington shouldn't go to war in some abstract pursuit of "international law."

Slightly more plausible, at least, is the argument that creating a democratic system in Iraq would provide a useful model for the rest of the Mideast. But that presupposes democracy can be easily planted, and that it can survive once the U.S. departs.

Iraq suffers from significant internal stresses. Convenient professions of unity in pursuit of democracy from an opposition once dismissed by Mideast special envoy and retired Gen. Anthony Zinni as "silk-suited, Rolex-wearing guys in London" offer little comfort and are likely to last no longer than have similar promises in Afghanistan.

Also problematic are Kurdish demands for autonomy and Shiite Muslim resistance to the central government. One defense official told the Washington Post: "I think it is almost a certainty that we'd wind up doing a campaign against the Kurds and Shiites." Wouldn't that be pretty? <

There are external threats as well. Particularly worrisome would be covert and possibly overt action by Iran, with which Baghdad fought a decade-long war and which might see intervention against a weakened Iraq as an antidote to serious political unrest at home.

Indeed, the U.S. backed Baghdad in its conflict with Iran and decided not to depose Saddam in 1991, in part out of fear of Iranian aggression throughout the Gulf should Iraq no longer provide a blocking role. Keeping the Iraqi Humpty Dumpty together after a war might not be easy.

Moreover, while Americans might see America's war on Iraq as a war for democracy, most Arabs would likely see it as a war for Washington. If the U.S. deposes Saddam, but leaves in place friendly but despotic regimes elsewhere — such as Egypt, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia — few Arabs would take America's democracy rhetoric seriously. Nor should they. Yet to go to war against everyone, including presumably Iran, Syria, and maybe others, would have incalculable consequences.

Saddam's complicity in September 11 would present a good argument for devastating retaliation for an act of war, but there's no evidence that he was involved. All that exists is a disputed meeting, which might not have occurred, in the Czech Republic between hijacker Mohammed Atta and an Iraqi official.

Certainly Saddam shed no tears over the thousands who died on that tragic day, but he has never been known to promote groups which he does not control. In contrast to Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein is no Muslim fanatic looking forward to his heavenly rewards; moreover, he heads a government and nation against which retaliation is simple.

Probably the best, at least the most fearsome, argument for overthrowing Saddam is the prospect of Baghdad developing weapons of mass destruction. Yet if nonproliferation should be enforced by war, Washington will be very busy in the coming years.

The problem is not just countries like Iran and North Korea, which seem to have or have had serious interest in developing atomic weapons. It is China, which could use them in any conflict with the U.S. over, say, Taiwan. And India, Pakistan, and Russia, which face unpredictable nationalist and theological currents, enjoy governments of varying instability, and offer uncertain security over technical know-how as well as weapons.

Potentially most dangerous is Pakistan's arsenal. The government of Pervez Musharraf is none too steady; Islamabad long supported the Taliban and its military and intelligence forces almost certainly contain al Qaeda sympathizers. It is easy to imagine nuclear technology falling into terrorist hands.

An Iraqi nuclear capability seems less frightening in comparison. Saddam would not use them against America, since to do so would guarantee his incineration. Israel possesses a similarly overbearing deterrent.

Would Baghdad turn atomic weapons over to al Qaeda or similarly motivated terrorists? Not likely.

First, it would be extraordinary for Saddam to give up a technology purchased at such a high price. Second, Baghdad would be the immediate suspect and likely target of retaliation should any terrorist deploy nuclear weapons, and Saddam knows this.

Third, Saddam would be risking his own life. Al Qaeda holds secular Arab dictators in contempt and would not be above attempting to destroy them as well as America.

Of course, the world would be a better place without Saddam's dictatorship. But there are a lot of regimes that should, and eventually will, end up in history's dustbin. That's not a good reason to initiate war against a state which poses no direct, ongoing threat.

Especially since war often creates unpredictable consequences. Without domestic opposition military forces to do America's dirty work, Washington will have to bear most of the burden. The task will be more difficult and expensive without European support and Saudi staging grounds.

If Iraq's forces don't quickly crumble, the U.S. might find itself involved in urban conflict that will be costly in human and political terms. If Baghdad possesses any weapons of mass destruction, Saddam will have an incentive to use them — against America, Israel, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia — since Washington would be dedicated to his overthrow.

Further, the U.S. would be sloshing gasoline over a combustible political situation in friendly but undemocratic Arab regimes stretching from North Africa to Southeast Asia. Israelis and Palestinians are at war, America continues to fight Taliban and al Qaeda forces in Afghanistan as the pro-western government teeters on chaos, fundamentalist Muslims rule western Pakistan, and Muslim extremists are active a dozen other countries. Yet the administration wants to invade Iraq. Riots in Egypt, a fundamentalist rising in Pakistan, a spurt of sectarian violence in Indonesia, and who knows what else could pose a high price for any success in Iraq.

War is a serious business. Making war on a country which does not threaten the U.S. is particularly serious. Even if the optimists who think a campaign against Iraq would be easy are right, and we can only hope they are, war should be a last resort. As House Majority Leader Richard Armey warned, an unprovoked attack "would not be consistent with what we have been as a nation or what we should be as a nation."

There's certainly no hurry to go to war. Nothing is different today from September 10, 2001, or any time since Iraq was ousted from Kuwait. Observes Jim Cornette, formerly an expert in biological warfare with the Air Force: "We've bottled [Saddam] up for 11 years, so we're doing okay."

There are times when Washington has no choice but to fight. Iraq is not such a place and now is not such a time.

— Doug Bandow is a senior fellow at the Cato Institute and a former Special Assistant to President Ronald Reagan.


TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush; cato; onemontholdarticle; saddam; war
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To: Miss Marple
YUP!


361 posted on 09/24/2002 6:10:08 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: Mo1
***Then why do you want to discuss this topic??***

Please cite one instance where he has made ANY attempt to discuss this topic. He hasn't. :-)
362 posted on 09/24/2002 6:11:40 PM PDT by justshe
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To: VaBthang4
Y'all know what you can do with this 5th. thing?
363 posted on 09/24/2002 6:12:39 PM PDT by thepitts
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To: CIB-173RDABN
To my everlasting shame, when I was young and naive, I allowed myself to be manipulated by folks like this. Endless hours of debating and questioning the Viet Nam War, hours and hours of griping about how I wasn't listened to, and then....I married a guy in the Air Force, and saw what real service people did.

I saw how the Germans in Berlin were stirred up to hate all Americans, even Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention. I saw how the press mocked President Nixon when he came to tour the troops. I saw how the assassination of Robert Kennedy was used as an excuse to riot and destroy property in Europe. I saw a man in East Germany plowing his field while his wife pulled the plow.

I came home convinced that I had been lied to, and when I went back to college I had no patience with the professors who sounded JUST LIKE ThomasJefferson.

They are indeed, Fifth Colummn, and I am NOT putting up with it. My children and grandchildren will live in safety, no thank to these fools.

364 posted on 09/24/2002 6:13:25 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: rintense
LOL!
365 posted on 09/24/2002 6:15:19 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: CIB-173RDABN
Hear hear!
366 posted on 09/24/2002 6:17:02 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: ThomasJefferson; saradippity
I am sorry that your husband was shot down, I hope that doesn't mean he was killed. If so, please accept my deepest christian sympathy. And if not, please thank him for serving our country in an unpopular war. My gratitude to our soldiers is deep. It is one reason I don't take war talk lightly.

Yes, yes, and yes.

There are many people on FR who seem to want to be cowboys. I don't think the opposite is the way to go, but some thought does need to get involed in the process.

I don't even want to get started about Vietnam.

367 posted on 09/24/2002 6:19:27 PM PDT by The Other Harry
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To: thepitts
What? please don't leave us in such a state of suspense. Please tell us what we can do with the 5th thing?
368 posted on 09/24/2002 6:19:34 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: ThomasJefferson
Mr. Bandow has tried, as some others here at FR, to posit positions either against a war with Iraq, or slam the "unilateralist" stance of the U.S. and the "warmonger' policies of President Bush. So, to give my response to Mr. Bandow, the democRATs (not all of them of course), the euroweenies, et. al. I offer a comment I posted on another thread some time ago...

If this thread existed in August of 1990, I would think that many more here would have rationally discussed the intervention in Kuwait. I believe it is actually a good idea to debate the pros and cons of foreign intervention. War is the means by which politics is advanced when the talking stops. Which, imho is not a good thing.

Having said that, we have been attacked on our soil. Our countrymen (and others of various countries and faiths) have been killed. Those who are now, at this very moment planning to kill more of us are of various countries located in the Middle East, and of the Islamic faith. I for one, want to kill them. All of them. I don't care if the country is Iraq, Syria, Libya, the Palis etc. I want them dead. I don't care if entire populations are destroyed and their land is salted. I could care less. I don't want a pound of flesh, I want whole sale massive destruction. I want the world to know that if we are attacked again, that the country, terrorist organization, those harboring and supporting the attackers, or even those sympathizing with them will not have another generation on earth.

If the above makes me a warmonger, so be it.

5.56mm

369 posted on 09/24/2002 6:19:35 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: rintense
RWP, I love it.

I give it 5 thumbs up.

370 posted on 09/24/2002 6:22:12 PM PDT by NeoCaveman
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To: CIB-173RDABN
The peace movement during the Viet Nam years was just a government orchestrated series of events to drag out the war until they could socialize more on the domestic front while people's attention was diverted. It also gave them time to dumb more kids down in the school system which was being systematically restructured to assure that Americans would be unable to think for themselves by the year 2000.
371 posted on 09/24/2002 6:27:46 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: rintense
Agreed..the message of determination must visit the region...Iraq is the weakest link..and like chess...positionally divides the Psyco Islamics.
Iran will surely have to be creative to continue its missile tech relationship with Syria...Hezbullah and Lebanese terror orgs will be isolated to..so the move is good here.
Will Islam freak and kick..you bet.
Better to face their tiny arsenals now..than latter.
I believe the money behind the desire to crush Israel is manuevering as we speak to protect Syria and Iran from a U.S. somethin.
You'll see the backlash and howling at the U.N. and E.U should the U.S. show up post Saddam to engage Al Qeda in Lebanon.
To close to Syria and the "Hoped for fantasy"..to close for comfort.
We'll see soon how "Brainwashed" the Iranian public are...we'll also see if Mubarak can survive the "Machine" that churns in his basement.
Israel will definitely get antsy ..a seroius clash with Hezbullah could easily spread to direct conflict with Syria...
400 plus scuds with VX and bio/chem warheads means Israel is likely to pre-empt and yes..use nukes to close Syrias deep underground missile complexes.

In truth..fear of change will drive Islam to one last series of "Fantacised Glory"...the revenge against U.S. and Israel will come over time.
Nostradamus wrote the length of the war of Mabus as being 27 years..then a new world after.
He's probably right..

372 posted on 09/24/2002 6:28:07 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: The Other Harry

373 posted on 09/24/2002 6:30:11 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: ThomasJefferson
I believe we will attack Iraq for three reasons:

1.Fear of his biological and chemical weapons programs.

2.Try to build a western style government in Iraq after Saddam's ouster.

3.To set an example to the other states in the Mideast that if they don't control their fanatics their regimes will be next.

374 posted on 09/24/2002 6:31:17 PM PDT by LaGrone
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To: ThomasJefferson
V
375 posted on 09/24/2002 6:36:16 PM PDT by LowOiL
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To: saradippity
I don't think the government per se orchestrated it. It was Fifth Columnists, egged on by the Communists, who fomented the peace movement.

Certain elements in the government, universities, and media were involved. Others in those same groups were not participants.

It is simplistic to say that "the government" orchestrated it all. At the time, the FBI was actively searching for subversives, and many in Congress supported the military. However, they were not equipped to combat the media, the universities, and people like George McGovern, all working together.

In addition, many people like me were under the impression that whatever we saw on the nightly news with Walter Cronkite was The Truth. How foolish we were!

Now many in this country know better. When the screed against military action begins (as we have seen on this thread) many of us, sadder but wiser, speak out.

And we will continue to speak out. We will not be intimidated by aspersions against our intelligence. We will not be cowed by those who pretend we are "un-cool." We will not be led down the path of destruction by silly Hollywood celebrities who are themselves being manipulated.

We are in a new world. Viet Nam is a sad story in our nation's history, but one which taught us many lessons.

376 posted on 09/24/2002 6:39:00 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: saradippity
The peace movement during the Viet Nam years was just a government orchestrated series of events to drag out the war until they could socialize more on the domestic front while people's attention was diverted. It also gave them time to dumb more kids down in the school system which was being systematically restructured to assure that Americans would be unable to think for themselves by the year 2000.


You forgot the saracasm tag...

377 posted on 09/24/2002 6:39:30 PM PDT by CIB-173RDABN
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To: xsmommy; rintense; deport; MJY1288; Mo1; TLBSHOW; justshe; Poohbah; Texasforever; Cultural Jihad; ..

378 posted on 09/24/2002 6:41:32 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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To: VaBthang4
ROFLMAO, Brrrwaaahaaahaaa Would you mind if I use that soem time :-)
379 posted on 09/24/2002 6:44:35 PM PDT by MJY1288
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To: MJY1288
Of Course....feel free.
380 posted on 09/24/2002 6:48:31 PM PDT by VaBthang4
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