Don't Start the Second Gulf War

National Review Online ^ | 8-12-02 | Doug Bandow

[MJY1288]

YUP!

[justshe]

***Then why do you want to discuss this topic??***

Please cite one instance where he has made ANY attempt to discuss this topic. He hasn't. :-)

[thepitts]

Y'all know what you can do with this 5th. thing?

[Miss Marple]

To my everlasting shame, when I was young and naive, I allowed myself to be manipulated by folks like this. Endless hours of debating and questioning the Viet Nam War, hours and hours of griping about how I wasn't listened to, and then....I married a guy in the Air Force, and saw what real service people did.

I saw how the Germans in Berlin were stirred up to hate all Americans, even Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention. I saw how the press mocked President Nixon when he came to tour the troops. I saw how the assassination of Robert Kennedy was used as an excuse to riot and destroy property in Europe. I saw a man in East Germany plowing his field while his wife pulled the plow.

I came home convinced that I had been lied to, and when I went back to college I had no patience with the professors who sounded JUST LIKE ThomasJefferson.

They are indeed, Fifth Colummn, and I am NOT putting up with it. My children and grandchildren will live in safety, no thank to these fools.

[Howlin]

LOL!

[jwalsh07]

Hear hear!

[The Other Harry]

I am sorry that your husband was shot down, I hope that doesn't mean he was killed. If so, please accept my deepest christian sympathy. And if not, please thank him for serving our country in an unpopular war. My gratitude to our soldiers is deep. It is one reason I don't take war talk lightly.

Yes, yes, and yes.

There are many people on FR who seem to want to be cowboys. I don't think the opposite is the way to go, but some thought does need to get involed in the process.

I don't even want to get started about Vietnam.

[MJY1288]

What? please don't leave us in such a state of suspense. Please tell us what we can do with the 5th thing?

[M Kehoe]

Mr. Bandow has tried, as some others here at FR, to posit positions either against a war with Iraq, or slam the "unilateralist" stance of the U.S. and the "warmonger' policies of President Bush. So, to give my response to Mr. Bandow, the democRATs (not all of them of course), the euroweenies, et. al. I offer a comment I posted on another thread some time ago...

If this thread existed in August of 1990, I would think that many more here would have rationally discussed the intervention in Kuwait. I believe it is actually a good idea to debate the pros and cons of foreign intervention. War is the means by which politics is advanced when the talking stops. Which, imho is not a good thing.

Having said that, we have been attacked on our soil. Our countrymen (and others of various countries and faiths) have been killed. Those who are now, at this very moment planning to kill more of us are of various countries located in the Middle East, and of the Islamic faith. I for one, want to kill them. All of them. I don't care if the country is Iraq, Syria, Libya, the Palis etc. I want them dead. I don't care if entire populations are destroyed and their land is salted. I could care less. I don't want a pound of flesh, I want whole sale massive destruction. I want the world to know that if we are attacked again, that the country, terrorist organization, those harboring and supporting the attackers, or even those sympathizing with them will not have another generation on earth.

If the above makes me a warmonger, so be it.

5.56mm

[NeoCaveman]

RWP, I love it.

I give it 5 thumbs up.

[saradippity]

The peace movement during the Viet Nam years was just a government orchestrated series of events to drag out the war until they could socialize more on the domestic front while people's attention was diverted. It also gave them time to dumb more kids down in the school system which was being systematically restructured to assure that Americans would be unable to think for themselves by the year 2000.

[Light Speed]

Agreed..the message of determination must visit the region...Iraq is the weakest link..and like chess...positionally divides the Psyco Islamics.
Iran will surely have to be creative to continue its missile tech relationship with Syria...Hezbullah and Lebanese terror orgs will be isolated to..so the move is good here.
Will Islam freak and kick..you bet.
Better to face their tiny arsenals now..than latter.
I believe the money behind the desire to crush Israel is manuevering as we speak to protect Syria and Iran from a U.S. somethin.
You'll see the backlash and howling at the U.N. and E.U should the U.S. show up post Saddam to engage Al Qeda in Lebanon.
To close to Syria and the "Hoped for fantasy"..to close for comfort.
We'll see soon how "Brainwashed" the Iranian public are...we'll also see if Mubarak can survive the "Machine" that churns in his basement.
Israel will definitely get antsy ..a seroius clash with Hezbullah could easily spread to direct conflict with Syria...
400 plus scuds with VX and bio/chem warheads means Israel is likely to pre-empt and yes..use nukes to close Syrias deep underground missile complexes.

In truth..fear of change will drive Islam to one last series of "Fantacised Glory"...the revenge against U.S. and Israel will come over time.
Nostradamus wrote the length of the war of Mabus as being 27 years..then a new world after.
He's probably right..

[Texasforever]

[LaGrone]

I believe we will attack Iraq for three reasons:

1.Fear of his biological and chemical weapons programs.

2.Try to build a western style government in Iraq after Saddam's ouster.

3.To set an example to the other states in the Mideast that if they don't control their fanatics their regimes will be next.

[LowOiL]

V

[Miss Marple]

I don't think the government per se orchestrated it. It was Fifth Columnists, egged on by the Communists, who fomented the peace movement.

Certain elements in the government, universities, and media were involved. Others in those same groups were not participants.

It is simplistic to say that "the government" orchestrated it all. At the time, the FBI was actively searching for subversives, and many in Congress supported the military. However, they were not equipped to combat the media, the universities, and people like George McGovern, all working together.

In addition, many people like me were under the impression that whatever we saw on the nightly news with Walter Cronkite was The Truth. How foolish we were!

Now many in this country know better. When the screed against military action begins (as we have seen on this thread) many of us, sadder but wiser, speak out.

And we will continue to speak out. We will not be intimidated by aspersions against our intelligence. We will not be cowed by those who pretend we are "un-cool." We will not be led down the path of destruction by silly Hollywood celebrities who are themselves being manipulated.

We are in a new world. Viet Nam is a sad story in our nation's history, but one which taught us many lessons.

[CIB-173RDABN]

The peace movement during the Viet Nam years was just a government orchestrated series of events to drag out the war until they could socialize more on the domestic front while people's attention was diverted. It also gave them time to dumb more kids down in the school system which was being systematically restructured to assure that Americans would be unable to think for themselves by the year 2000.

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You forgot the saracasm tag...

[VaBthang4]

[MJY1288]

ROFLMAO, Brrrwaaahaaahaaa Would you mind if I use that soem time :-)

[VaBthang4]

Of Course....feel free.