Posted on 09/22/2002 7:21:38 AM PDT by RCW2001
Edited on 04/13/2004 2:41:01 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Jobless and broke, Bryan Clouse sits among the dwindling possessions in his studio in San Francisco's Fillmore District getting ready to leave what he once thought was a computer nerd's promised land.
In a week, the 35-year-old programmer will load up a rented SUV and say goodbye to the city that has been his home for the past nine years. He will go to live with his grandparents in Brooklyn, Mich., a tiny town of brick storefronts and clapboard houses a few hours west of Detroit. There, with no rent to worry about, he will look for work.
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These are facts. I have worked in high tech for almost 20 years. American engineers were NEVER the best. Check your history, pal.
Niether we, nor the Russians could figure out modern rocketry until we both imported GERMAN Engineers. Nuclear Power and Weapons? Pick something else. We always had outside help for our best engineering.
Who said anything about Indians anyway?
I dont disagree with you at all. I read your link, thanks for posting it.
If you like LA, you've got to get out of California.
BTW, SF was a wonderful place to visit 40+ years ago.
As it is now, American companies simply bring in cheap labor to do the work, while threatening to "move overseas" if Congress doesn't let them do this.
This is mostly a bluff, since third-world countries don't have basic infrastructure that we in America have (paid for by OUR tax dollars, BTW). Yes, it will be cheaper to pay an engineer in the third-world $20K instead of an American 3-5 times that. But there are other costs to consider. Tools and services needed to perform the work and protect the property (electricity, transportation, police, fire department, etc....) are neither widespread nor stable in third world countries.
So while the cost of labor may be less, the total cost of doing business is not necessarily lower.
Basically, H1-B is a way for greedy and corrupt globalists to profit off the American infrastracture and destroy our technological base in the process.
Notice you don't see such a program for politicians, lawyers, doctors, or teachers. Wonder why?
Outside of Pat Buchanan, who would that be?
Very simple solution. Stop the massive immigration "free for all" that is currently under way and do the same thing that China is doing. If you want to sell your product in China you are required to manufacture it and develop it in China. We should do the same. No one is looking out for America's interest but clearly the governments of India and China are very much looking out for there own nations interest's.
Amen. I was in the high tech industry for years. In the beginning, most co-workers had engineering credentials. Then, starting in the late 80's, I started seeing more workers with BA's in programming degrees- useless. Their knowledge was English, French and Fortran (or Cobol).
A few years later, the industry was awash in MBA degrees - how to tell the engineers what to do.
The H1B workers were really engineers. Not many Americans, except for the Asian-Americans, go for engineering degrees. If we can't educate more engineers, then we do need the H1B workers.
Just FYI, Burger King is now selling tacos which taste JUST LIKE Jack In The Box tacos! Mmmmmm
Funny but we are mostly importing Indian's and Chinese and exporting jobs to India and China. Haven't seen many German H-1B's. More American bashing... If American's are as bad as you say they are why don't you go live in another country.
Sorry, dude, but wrong. As I said, my wife taught undergraduate and graduate-level Petroleum Engineering at a major university (and one very well-respected in the PE world, I might add). She saw students from all over the country, and all over the world pass through her and her colleagues classes--certainly enough to be a valid statstical sampling. The truth is that the Americans simply are no longer as well-prepared as the "furriners". The only "American-bashing" involved is the fact that the truth hurts.
It's not just in engineering, either. Virtually any technical field is in the same boat. I got my college education in the late sixties and early seventies (PhD chemistry), and the students today in my own area of expertise are also not as well-grounded as in past years.
My family has been on these shores since 1630, and helped found this nation--I wouldn't be "bashing" if it weren't the truth. If you choose to disbelieve it, you are naive at best, stupid at worst.
The rats will call this the GWB depression which is typical of their lies, despite the fact that it was happening before the sleezemeister had to leave the White HOuse.
Is Atlas shrugging in the Workers Republic of Kalifornistan?
Drop the H1B programs, and engineering salaries will rise, thus attracting more Americans to study the field.
As long as thousands of foreigners are allowed to come in and do the work, there is little incentive for Americans to invest the time and energy required for an engineering degree. If an engineer is only going to make 10% more than a business major, why study hard when you can party your tail off in college and get an easier major?
THIS POST MAKES ME SICK. I HAVE POSTED AND POSTED HERE ABOUT THE LACK OF DESIRE OF OUR YOUNG TO LEARN. AS A TEACHER, I HAVE ENDURED UNIMAGINEABLE ABUSE WHEN TRYING TO PUSH STUDENTS TO HIGH LEVELS. I HAVE NO SYMPATHY LEFT.
SOMETIMES, PEOPLE GET WHAT THEY DESERVE.
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