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I'm sure this qualifies me as a person without class, but I'd take Los Angeles any day over the self-important atmosphere of San Francisco.

If you like LA, you've got to get out of California.
BTW, SF was a wonderful place to visit 40+ years ago.

If you like LA, you've got to get out of California.
BTW, SF was a wonderful place to visit 40+ years ago.

LOL...you are probably right!

I really was saying that, relatively and in the present time, I think the Los Angeles/SoCal
area is just a better bit of the socialist mess than San Francisco/Bay Area is.

Here in Los Angeles, at least the place is kept fairly clean and the people at least
try to keep the veneer of friendliness, except during "insurrections" in
in South Central or after another Lakers championship season!

Being relocated here from a lifetime in Oklahoma (and hoping to head back to OK/TX/MO)
there is plenty that is culturally unsettling about California in general, but in
many ways this place is sort of like a Democratic/leftist version of
Texas: big in business, commerce, and living large.
And the average mainstream citizen is much more like the average working person in other
states: they do have to get up and work, etc. Hollywood has really warped the view
of what "average" California is like. You don't see much about places like
all the military enclaves in San Diego, etc.

There are lots of things that need fixed here, but there is also a lot that
is probably "redeemable".

But some days my "flyover country" brain reads The Los Angeles Times (for opposition research)
and I just shake my head in a fit of amazed revulsion.

I was in SF exactly 40 years ago as a resident of Treasure Island. I had some good times there and would have had a lot more if I had actually had an income to speak of.