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Saddam should be given the chance to avoid a war that seems inevitable!
The UK Independent ^ | 17 September 2002 | Donald Macintyre

Posted on 09/21/2002 3:30:15 PM PDT by vannrox


Saddam should be given the chance to avoid a war that seems inevitable


To be credible, a UN ultimatum has to offer Saddam's regime a genuine way out if he chooses to take it
Donald Macintyre
17 September 2002

Seen through the headlines, it was all beginning to look pretty simple. The US was determined to go to war against Iraq and slowly, and in most cases reluctantly, the rest of the world was falling into line. There were some diplomatic preliminaries to come in New York, but America's fellow permanent members of the UN Security Council had been left in little doubt that while Washington would prefer their backing, it would go ahead without it making it that much more likely that it would get the backing in the first place.

The Saudis vital in the last Gulf War to the Allies' liberation of Kuwait were already shifting towards acquiescence in a US invasion. The military build-up had begun. Military experts had started to talk "when" rather than "if", "how" rather than "whether". What could stop the war now?

Late last night it all suddenly looked a great deal more complicated. The announcement by the UN secretary general that Baghdad had agreed to unconditional UN weapons inspections has at the very least put all those assumptions in doubt.

As the small print of the Baghdad letter to the UN was digested in world capitals, the caution urged by Western politicians, the British Foreign Secretary Jack Straw among them, was understandable. Of course it could be another delaying tactic, another trick. Is the dictator of Baghdad really going to let the inspectors go exactly where they want to go? Is he really going to eschew the games he has played with them in the past?

But if it is at least the beginning of a real climbdown and it's a big if then it could yet raise important questions of what the war aims really are, and whether "regime change" is inherently one of them, irrespective of how Baghdad responds to the ultimatum that was being prepared for it in New York and irrespective of whether the latest signals are translated into real, unconditional admission of the weapons inspectors. If it is, then there is something essentially hollow about such an ultimatum.

If the concession is as big as Kofi Annan appeared to suggest in New York last night, then it is difficult, if not impossible, to see how the US could sustain a coalition for war against Iraq. Opposition to war within the Labour Party might well prove irresistible for many Labour MPs, as for many in European governments war has only been imaginable if President Saddam continues to resist an ultimatum on UN arms inspections. They have never shared in the enthusiasm for "regime change" in virtually any circumstances.

Equally it's possible that the new signals are no more than playing for time. But even if it is a mere delaying tactic there is still every reason for President Saddam's willingness to admit UN weapons inspectors to be tested to destruction.

For the casus belli to be clear, let alone legitimate, there has to be some hope, however modest, that the ultimatum can be met, even if that has not yet happened. And that may mean the odious Iraqi regime has to be given some reason for believing that there is some alternative, however unpalatable, to a war it almost certainly can't win; that "regime change", in other words, is not inevitable.

This appears to be understood even by America's staunchest and most uncritical ally, Britain. On the face of it, Mr Straw's weekend remarks in New York pointedly using the term "regime change" were as hawkish as it's possible to be. But he was careful both to insist that President Saddam had a "very clear choice" between being toppled and dealing with his weapons of mass destruction and to confine his explicit demands to the issue of such weapons. There have also been signs, within the interstices of Whitehall, of British concern that Baghdad is being given little reason whether through "back channel" communication or any other means for thinking that what would admittedly be an improbably dramatic rethink on his weapons of mass destruction (WMD) could yet save his skin.

International unease about all this had been increased by the terms in which President Bush framed his challenge to the UN last week. On one reading this reflected a victory for the Washington multilateralists over those, such as Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld, who are seen as contemptuous of the UN and impatient to begin the war, almost whatever the circumstances. On another reading, however, the Bush speech was notable for its inclusion, in a long litany of the ills visited by Saddam, of issues going well beyond that of WMD including support for terrorism, illicit trade and persecution of its civilian population. It's perfectly true that these issues are also covered by UN Security Council resolutions (though the large majority cover WMD). But they are a great deal less capable of verifiable fulfilment within the tightest of deadlines. As the former Australian Foreign Minister Gareth Evans wrote yesterday in the International Herald Tribune: " 'regime change' wasn't mentioned [in the Bush speech] but that's what it meant." According to one Whitehall voice, the resolution "needs to be tough enough to be credible, not so tough as to be incapable of being met". To include the other, non-WMD, breaches in the wording on a UN resolution is one thing. To link them directly to the ultimatum would be quite another.

This all matters hugely to European public opinion, not least in Britain where Parliament meets next week and the Labour conference looms the week after that. True, the signs are that opposition to war is diminishing. On the one hand, if President Saddam proves to have been smart enough to accept the Arab League's advice to admit the UN inspectors in accordance with Security Council resolutions, it would make it hard to the point of impossibility for the US to hold a war coalition together. Conversely, if public support is to be mobilised for war in Britain, let alone in the rest of Europe, not to mention the Muslim world, the dictator in Baghdad has to be seen to have a realistic opportunity to prevent it happening even if he hasn't done so already.

Tony Blair's minimum duty is surely to fight to ensure that happens. All the more so when the case that President Saddam is ready to use his weaponry has yet to be made. And when there is no evidence that his so far ill- defined support for international terrorism has anything to do with 11 September. And when oil increasingly looks to be at least a factor in the US targeting of Iraq. And when President Bush did not even mention, last week in New York, Israel's own breaches of UN resolutions (not to mention that three months after his 24 June speech on Israel-Palestine, he has yet to offer any realistic hope of even a framework for a negotiated settlement). And when the Allies are being asked to embark on a dangerous venture almost unprecedented in its dependence on the doctrine of pre-emption rather than retaliation. An ultimatum that clearly offers President Saddam's regime a way out, if he chooses to take it, may not be a sufficient condition for a just war against Iraq. But it is certainly a necessary one.



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 911; arab; bagdad; binladen; gas; germ; hate; iraq; islim; israel; jew; nuclear; ny; saddam; taliban; terror; war; wtc
UGH...
1 posted on 09/21/2002 3:30:16 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox
Yawn. "They have not led. We shall."
2 posted on 09/21/2002 3:33:23 PM PDT by The Great Satan
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To: The Great Satan
Iraq Says Won't Accept New U.N. Resolution Sat Sep 21, 8:57 AM ET
By Hassan Hafidh

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Iraq said on Saturday it would not accept any new U.N. Security Council resolution that runs contrary to an agreement reached with U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan ( news - web sites).

"Iraq announces that it will not cooperate with a new resolution which is different from what has been agreed upon with the (U.N.) Secretary-General," said a statement issued following a meeting of top Iraqi leaders chaired by President Saddam Hussein ( news - web sites).

Here's the story.

3 posted on 09/21/2002 3:37:36 PM PDT by justsomedude
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To: The Great Satan
I nodded right off after "casus belli", did it get any better toward the end?
4 posted on 09/21/2002 3:37:41 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: vannrox
did'nt he already have a last chance about 15 resolutions ago?
5 posted on 09/21/2002 3:39:42 PM PDT by linn37
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To: vannrox
Saddam should be given the chance to avoid a war that seems inevitable

He was. He blew it.

Now something else has been given a chance.

a.cricket

6 posted on 09/21/2002 3:52:40 PM PDT by another cricket
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To: vannrox
Ah, come on! This is not about "inspections" - it's about at least disarmament and more likely regime change.
Putting "inspectors" (AKA hostages) in Iraq isn't going to do anything to get Saddam under control. It will just give him more time to get weaponry.

BTW, I am surprised to hear that he hasn't spent any of his money to re-inforce his conventional army since the Gulf War. That should be all the proof needed that he isn't looking for defense.

7 posted on 09/21/2002 4:06:22 PM PDT by speekinout
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To: vannrox
Just look at the bright side, Donald. If Bush starts a good, big war with Iraq, The Independent will have so much more to bitch about! Where would you be with nothing to bitch about?
8 posted on 09/21/2002 4:10:49 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: vannrox
Give War A Chance
9 posted on 09/21/2002 4:13:48 PM PDT by bert
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To: vannrox
Bump
10 posted on 09/21/2002 4:15:21 PM PDT by facedown
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To: vannrox
Saddam will have more than ample time to show he has been house broken. The US won't be ready to attack until next February I suspect. This is really a non issue.
11 posted on 09/21/2002 5:13:01 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
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"The US won't attack until early Spring..."

What are you smoking? There are Ranger, Delta, and SEAL troops currently in PLAY. They are "In Country" and "On Site". They are engaged in land prep while the games of Politics are played out.

We know about the Bio, GERM, and Nuclear weapons because we have seen them and are actively monitoring their status. Waiting to early spring is a nice european solution. But, it is not an American Solution. Tactical strikes are set to occur prior to November. And yes, they will involve Nuclear Weapons. Aside from the many good military reasons, one must not forget that a nuclear weapon would incinerate any stockpiles of GERMS and CHEM weapon stockpiles even if released. Nothing like a thermal oven to clean the air of germs.

Our President is not Billy-Boy Clinton. He played Army to achieve global political goals. Our President is Bush. While everyone likes to make fun of him, we Armericans think that he is a great man. He really could care less about what the rest of the world thinks. That's why he was elected. Duh!

You see, Bush represents what most Amerians are like. They aren't Harvard or Cambridge educated. They don't drink tea with their little finger in the air. They couldn't care what is going on in the areas of the world that do not directly affect them. They just go to work. They work hard, and then they come home and tend to their families. I know it is not what is seen on TV. But TV is a Liberal-Democrat version of reality. It is not real. Even here in Boston, home of the most liberal Americans you can think of, they praise Bush. Why?

The truth is that he is an honest and real fellow. He means what he says and doesn't have time for political crap. He believes in a Spirital aspect of life. Which, I might add, is quite prevalent in the US, contrary to what the TV might give you the impression of.

Sorry about the RANT.

You fellows in the EU are so out of touch with what Americans and what America is all about. You, in many ways, underestimate and misunderstand Americans, much like Bin Laden did.


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12 posted on 09/21/2002 6:12:14 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: Torie
FYI...."Eager Mace".
13 posted on 09/21/2002 6:15:24 PM PDT by vannrox
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To: vannrox
It most cetainly was a rant, and February may be early spring in your world, but not mine.
14 posted on 09/21/2002 6:16:12 PM PDT by Torie
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To: vannrox
12 years wasn't long enough and we should go for longer?

Why does that seem crazy to a sane guy like me?

I know, because that IS CRAZY!!!!!!!
15 posted on 09/21/2002 6:17:39 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: vannrox
Solution. Tactical strikes are set to occur prior to November. And yes, they will involve Nuclear Weapons.

Yes, nuclear weapons is a posibility, but hey, we're trying to show the world that Saddam is the crazy one, we're the sane ones. Our policy on nuclear strikes is: you use weapons of mass destruction, we will return the favor, ten times over.

The majority of Iraqi citizens are terrified by Saddam. They will be happy for us to go after Saddam and his war machine. In the aftermath of war we need them as friends to rebuild Iraq. We can't roast them first, then ask them to be friends.

Any nation that uses weapons of mass destruction as a first alternative will find itself as the enemy of the world.

16 posted on 09/21/2002 11:44:30 PM PDT by powderhorn
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