Mother to surrender in videotaped beating of girl

Associated Press ^ | September 21, 2002 | Associated Press Staff

[eddie willers]

she DESERVES to lose that child. I do NOT say that casually or lightly, and anyone who knows me would know that it would take a LOT for me to say that.

I was hoping you'd show up and comment.
And, yes, I knew exactly what you would say. : )

[A Vast RightWing Conspirator]

Sudan. I am aware of no conspiracy media govt or otherwise to prevent that information from being known.

Care to compare the amount of time spent by your favorite TV media outlet on Sudan in the past year with the time spent on this absolutely insignificant 'story' in the past 24 hours?

What should you conclude?

[sam_paine]

Being wary of ubiquitous surveillance cameras is not evidence that someone supports rape and murder. Give us all a break, please. Take a "shrill" pill!

Even with a camera on every corner, where criminals are fully aware of the surveillance, there is no evidence that they give up on crime. There are cameras in every bank in America; are there no bank robberies? Of course there are. Banks are still robbed, children are still abused, and women are still raped.

A crime is already committed and over by the time it's "caught on tape."

Video Cameras by their nature make as little sense in PREVENTING street crime as Mutually-Assured-Destruction makes sense for preventing a criminal like Hussein from committing atrocities.

why are such paranoid people, such as you and the others you agree with on this thread, even on the Internet? Don't you know that Big Brother is watching?

"on the internet?" Nobody in America can "choose" to stay "off the internet." Government, bank, commerce records of each person are parked on the internet whether you own a computer or not! My credit accounts can be hacked while the card is in my wallet.

Posting on a government monitored "hate site" like FR doesn't concern me near as much as those who really want to promote Orwell's visions to the non-fiction section.

[A Vast RightWing Conspirator]

Yes, friend, I saw the video, ONCE and, I must confess, I was not impress. It was being presented on Fox with "judge Napolitano's" head in one corner insert who, after his head grew to occupy the entire screen admitted that it was something 'hard to watch' - B&W images of skeletal dead Jews being buldozed at a German camp immediately came to mind. My wife and I interpreted this as stand up comedy routine. Anyway - we saw it and no, it was NOT a savage beating. It was an angry woman spanking her daughter hard.

These things happen, you know?

Is THIS news?

[Paul Atreides]

I think you need to take that shrill pill, that you mentioned.

[sam_paine]

If you beat your kid in a public parking lot,

My point exactly....wait till the CPS folks tell you what constitutes "beating" to them. How bout mental abuse from too much "time out"? Good luck!

[sam_paine]

Then if you are the calm and reasonable party, won't you then understand that I do not endorse child abuse merely for being wary of ubiquitous surveillance cameras. Are you fair enough to understand that I'm not one of the ones defending this mother?

[Paul Atreides]

I never said that you were endorsing child abuse. Where did I say that you were endorsing child abuse?

[spunkets]

The idea of hate crime is ridiculous. It's the crime that counts. The motivations behind crime are all illogical, immoral rubbish. Assigning worth and trying to grade what is inherently pure rubbish is an exercise in futility. Unless the point is to use it for some purpose...like thought control. Then the thoughts become the crime.

The label tossing on the thread comes as a reaction to the crime that occurred, or the crimes and lifestyle of the people, or group she's associated with. They're pissed off at the crimes, not that she's white, poor, rich, or Irish. The labels fit the catagory of meaningless intensives. IMO, if the words were used in a hateful manner it's appropriate, 'cause the bitch deserves it.

[sam_paine]

Oh yes, let's sacrifice the little four-year-old girl's life for the higher purpose of keeping video cameras out of public parking lots.

That's disgusting. Suggesting we should sacrifice a child's life. Get a grip.

[Marine Inspector]

THIS POST DID NOT COME FROM ME

MY ACCOUNT HAS BEEN COMPRIMISED.

[Frapster]

I would like to see the 'full' video because what I've seen doesn't demand the level of castigation I've seen in this thread.

[Frapster]

I also find it interesting that at least half of the bleeding hearts here claim to have been abused. Thats the problem with the internet anyone can make anything up to prove their point. That is all

Actually - what I believe is that so many of the things we consider to be abuse today weren't considered abuse 30 years ago. We are a society in denial - life is ugly - that doesn't make it bad.

[mystery-ak]

I disagree....what I have seen in this little bit of video is enough for me.
There was no fine line crossed here....this was not discipline, this was battery IMHO....if she does this in public, what does she do behind closed doors.

[Frapster]

That's disgusting. Suggesting we should sacrifice a child's life. Get a grip.

It's disgusting, true. But it's a good example of they hyperbole being so liberally dished out in this thread.

[Frapster]

I disagree....what I have seen in this little bit of video is enough for me. There was no fine line crossed here....this was not discipline, this was battery IMHO....if she does this in public, what does she do behind closed doors.

She probably has tools with sharp edges. (/sarcasm) Of course you've had ONE glimpse into her life and drawn all sorts of conlusions - easy enough to do I suppose.

[eddie willers]

I would like to see the 'full' video because what I've seen doesn't demand the level of castigation I've seen in this thread.

Obviously you have not seen the 'full' video or you would not have aired your previous comments.

[TigersEye]

Proof is determined in a court of law alone. The fact that there is an appearance or allegation of abuse is enough to justify intervention and investigation.

I agree completely. And I would say that the video is plenty to initiate an investigation. I'm not certain from what I can see in it that it would be enough to indict all by itself. I have not espoused the support for this woman, her behaviour or the lack of any appropriate role by government that you have accused me of. My complaint is about the hang 'em high attitudes and the lack of relevance to the aims of FR.

[Paul Atreides]

I went to the FNC website and watched some of the video. It is smaller than a Post-It note and the little girl is not even visible after getting in the SUV. However, if you watch the video on television, you can see that the woman is beating the child, pulling her hair, and punching her.