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Should Congress vote to support Bush on his stand against Iraq before or after the elections? Poll
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Posted on 09/13/2002 6:48:12 PM PDT by BJungNan

This one seems like it is a foregone conclusion that Congress should vote to support Bush and only a matter of when they should do it. Okay with me. I think they should vote to support our president. On the question of when, it seems those favoring delay have the day.

Should the U.S. Congress vote to support President Bush on his stand against Iraq before or after the November elections?

- After the elections. This is a big decision. It can wait until November. 65%

- Vote now. Congress should show it's unified behind President Bush and we mean business. 28%

- Undecided 7%

Poll Link Here

I realize some FReepers may be in favor of going slow - certainly this is a big question - so perhaps this thread will be a good place to examine this. How much deliberation should there be in Congress?


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To: ArneFufkin
Let us not forget how we ended up here: the dishonest, self-serving actions of Jim Jeffords. That bastard has done more damage to the republic than we will realize for many years to come. I hope he pays in the next election cycle, but considering that Vermont actually has a Socialist (Bernie Sanders) in congress, I am not holding my breath...
41 posted on 09/13/2002 7:56:44 PM PDT by Another Galt
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To: ArneFufkin; kayak
How about Breaux? I would be surprised if he didn't vote witht the President.Anybody know? Thanks.BTW,can Senators,like Congressman force a vote? In the House, Reps are able to force a vote by getting so many signatures and then giving it to the Speaker.Anybody know?
42 posted on 09/13/2002 7:57:46 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
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To: ladyinred
Right you are ! The Dems politicized this, because they want to vote no ... knowing that they'd lose their elections, should they do that now.
43 posted on 09/13/2002 7:57:51 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
BTTT again!
44 posted on 09/13/2002 7:59:23 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: ArneFufkin
Zell Miller is the only good Democrat in the Senate, he is one of our southern democrats, which means that he is more conservative than some northern Republicans; living in Georgia I was dreading him taking office but he has been a pleasant surprise. Max Cleland (aka Lefty), who up until election year was a complete Clinton liberal, will try to look like a good Southern hawk for the election year. Go Saxby Chambliss!!!!
45 posted on 09/13/2002 8:01:50 PM PDT by Another Galt
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To: kayak
The Democrats, as individuals, humans, and American, just cannot operate outside a framework of political calculation and agenda. Stand up and say NOW'S the time. These assholes are creating a pallete to share the win, but also criticize if the campaign goes badly. Screw them. This is the Clinton Democratic party. It's lockstep as can be. Democrat fundraising money comes from Terry and his union/lawyer pals. If you don't follow the script, there's moola for YOU! It sucks, but the Democrat constituency is overwhelmingly broke and clueless. They need someone to suck money from their paycheck to invest in the Democrat party.

I haven't paid attention ... are the House and Senate going to vote on a resolution of support?

46 posted on 09/13/2002 8:01:57 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: BJungNan
Did they remove the poll already? I couldn't find it when I used your link.
47 posted on 09/13/2002 8:02:42 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
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To: BJungNan
Voted and bumped!
48 posted on 09/13/2002 8:02:52 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: F.J. Mitchell
We are turning this one around! 58 - 37 now! Nice comments too, folks.
49 posted on 09/13/2002 8:04:12 PM PDT by Another Galt
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To: BJungNan
GoGov.com Poll
Should the U.S. Congress vote to support President Bush on his stand against Iraq before or after the November elections?
After the elections. This is a big decision. It can wait until November. (147) 36%
Vote now. Congress should show it's unified behind President Bush and we mean business. (237) 59%
Undecided (19) 5%

50 posted on 09/13/2002 8:05:56 PM PDT by BJClinton
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To: Utah Girl
Thank you.
51 posted on 09/13/2002 8:06:11 PM PDT by Cicero
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To: Another Galt
I watch Zell and sometimes I have to think he's going "What the hell am I doing here?" He's a governor, a man of action, a guy who makes deals and gets things done.

He's just to stubborn to change to the GOP this late in his life. But you know what? If I were him, with his life success, experience and talent ... I would never tolerate a cynical and unprincipled fool like Daschele. Miller needs to say ... "Let's get the shit to the floor, vote it up or down, and do our jobs already". How can these guys abide this stupid maneuvering?

52 posted on 09/13/2002 8:07:15 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: terilyn; PhiKapMom
Thanks for the ping!

Daschle has a problem. His reason to delay the vote - not enough evidence - doesn't hold water in the face of the President's litany of charges against Iraq. In the past 24 hours, I've heard people say they were now convinced because they had previously not heard all those 'disses' of the UN named at one time.

IMO, these people have been living on another planet, but then I have to realize that not everyone stays up on this stuff.

GWB's speech was magnificent. Daschle is stuck with a pathetic argument and a bunch of Senators who are going to leave the reservation soon. heh he heh. Couldn't happen to a better guy.

53 posted on 09/13/2002 8:11:19 PM PDT by Fracas
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To: Fracas
GWB's speech was magnificent.

It certainly was. I watched him making it and could not help think to myself, this is a very great man.

54 posted on 09/13/2002 8:14:49 PM PDT by MissBaby
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To: terilyn
terilyn, have you ever checked the Strib talk forum? Holy Horsepoop! Every conservative there has been bounced. It is 6 or 7 smug, bike riding lefties just stroking themselves and each other. There's a Vikings thread, and one of the posters had some pictures of various gatherings ... the two major moderators (Tony O'Brien and Jenny) were partying with most of the left wing goofballs!!! They're all buddies. How unprofessional is that paper?

I will wager that there is a group of reporters digging for an October surprise on Coleman. Every malconent is telling their story right now. That's what they do. Remember Grams' kid getting arrested for kidnapping? Top of the fold, "Grams arrested for kidnapping and drugs" and they put a picture of the SENATOR next to the first column. I ripped Lou Gelfand a new one about that. That guy is catatonic. The Strib is a Dem house organ, and they want Wellstone to win in the worst way. I keep getting telemarketing calls from their circulation call center ... I explained the only toilet-connected circumstances I would ever use their newspaper but they just keep trying.

55 posted on 09/13/2002 8:19:42 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Russell Scott
Absolutely correct. That is what we elect (and pay) them for. It's called LEADERSHIP, and right now, the Dems are not showing any at all (with the Repubs not taking a strong enough stand against them). Polls are a way out of taking responsibility.

These people take an oath to protect us. We, the voters, should know where they stand on this duty -- are they going to uphold it or not -- before we cast ballots in November, so we can make our choices accordingly.

56 posted on 09/13/2002 8:23:41 PM PDT by Inkie
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To: Neets; BJungNan; Cicero
I say Before the elections.
I like what Cicero said.
57 posted on 09/13/2002 8:49:33 PM PDT by Snow Bunny
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To: BJungNan
In the last two hours since this was posted here, only 5 have voted for "After the elections", while some 205 have voted for "Vote now". The power of freeping!

GoGov.com Poll
Should the U.S. Congress vote to support President Bush on his stand against Iraq before or after the November elections?
After the elections. This is a big decision. It can wait until November. (149) 32%
Vote now. Congress should show it's unified behind President Bush and we mean business. (290) 63%
Undecided (21) 5%

Total Votes: 460


58 posted on 09/13/2002 9:04:30 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow
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To: ArneFufkin
I haven't checked out their online forum. It does sound like horsepoop and I think I'm glad I haven't. Thanks for the warning!

When they call my house, (about once a week), to try to practically give away their crappy paper to me I laugh and laugh and then when they ask what's so funny I tell them I wouldn't take their liberal piece of trash excuse for a paper if they paid ME to take it. I tell them I won't let my husband bring it in the house any more. I tell them I tried to put it under the cat's litter box and even the cat refused to get near it until I removed it. I ask them how much the DNC is paying them to print their propoganda for them.

Then they call again the next week...stupid liberals.
59 posted on 09/13/2002 9:39:42 PM PDT by terilyn
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To: Another Galt
If Chambliss wins, I'll wager he'll be the first Senator in history named "Saxby". He's a great guy. Actually though ... I like Jack Kingston from your state. That guy is a superstar in waiting.

I remember back in 94-96, the freshmen GOPers would get together on a Speical Order at 10 est and they would yakk brilliant till midnight or one. Kingston, Lindsay Graham, Vern Ehlers (check his pulse), Tom Coburn (superstar retired)of Oklahoma, Steve Largent (superstar retired) and a great guy from Florida (Todd McCullough ?)who honored his term limit promise and retired. No special order is complete until J.D.(watchoo talkin' bout Maxine) Hayworth bullies his way in. David Obey wanted to fight him one night and J.D was just laughing at him - Obey was melting down, he had to be removed by Capitol police. Bill Thomas was overseeing the chamber, and he said "please remove this historically abusive member". LMAO! That Bob Martinez hothead from NJ stepped up "The speaker must remove abusive. The speaker cannot use abusive. House out of order. House out of order! .... ") That what the baby Dems do when they are not getting their way. That old mummy from Florida, Sam Gibbons, was close to dying in chamber he was so angry at that great guy fom New York (Gerald ....) who ran the rules committee like a tyrant! That's how it's done! Did he piss people off. He died in 99, great guy. That was the first year in 40 that they didn't wield the iron fist of power with arrogance and disdain. They didn't handle it well. Sweet to behold - despots like Conyers, Dellums, Dingell and Rostenkowski were forced to say .... "may I inquire of the Chair?" and it killed them. Good action in that 94-95 House.

But, that freshman class included David McIntosh (superstar retired) of IN, Rick Santorum, John Thune (next SD Senator and superstar), Greg Ganske, J.C. Watts (overrated), Sue Myrick (superstar), J.D."Whatchoo talkin about Major Owens" Hayworth (he'll watch your back). Helen (Wheels) Chenowith. Helen was a pistol, but she was caught up in some bullcrap -her husband was an overachieving embezzler I believe. That class had John Ensign (slickee Senator), Jennifer Dunn (overrated no sexual servicing hinted), Steve Buyer and Gil Gutenknecht. Wow, that's a talented roster. That crew is far brighter and ethical than the 49 GOP members of the Senate. Ensign, and Santorum are a push. They are stupider now than then, just through osmosis. The Senate is old, useless and decrepit. Half those guys don't know what day it is if some staffer doesn't brief them. They vote the way they are instructed, but there's always a staffer down in the well to change their vote when theu've forgotten their job and miss the 50% guess.

Best of class: Sonny Bono! That guy rocked in a really graceful way. He was the most charasmatic person in the house, after Newt. Seriously. He'd be Senator from California had he lived - or he would have retired to live and make love with his beautiful wife, love his beautiful kids and savor his beautiful house in beautiful Palm Springs - where he would blow the whole thing by singing with his HORSESHIT voice! I got you Babe ... from him, that was more of a threat than a loving affirmation. LOL I liked Sonny. He was like Columbo in those Committee meetings, he self depreciated to arrogant Clinton assholes like Margaret Williams (I hated that woman), Raul Emmanuael and Bernie Nussbaum ... but he picked them apart like a crab! His cross examination got that Treasury Department coolguy (who stiffed the RTC cases in Arkansas) to resign in disgrace. Sonny! Thanks for sending Clinton scum away! Sonny, we need to lose Barn Frank in that same way!

Compare that to the Dems who took the stage: Carolyn McCarthy, Chaka Fatah, Major Owens, Carrie Meek, Bob Wexler, Dennis Kucinich ... those people are functional idiots.

Clinton just blew up the whole landscape. America blamed Newt. Opportunity gone.

What a great influx of conservative and principled talent came into the GOP that year. That was encouraging. And ... a lot of those 94 freshman honored their promise and retired after two terms. Even the most cynical Freepers have to respect that.

60 posted on 09/13/2002 9:53:40 PM PDT by ArneFufkin
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