1 posted on
09/11/2002 7:33:04 PM PDT by
chunjay
To: chunjay
This is not to sound critical, but Henhoff and crowd seem to be afraid of their own shadows!
2 posted on
09/11/2002 7:37:52 PM PDT by
Ken522
To: chunjay
Funny, they can get so worked up about the 1st amendment but
support for the 2nd just gets a yawn.
I guess it's ok to try and reinterpret that one. huh?
Liberals, spit!
4 posted on
09/11/2002 7:44:29 PM PDT by
tet68
To: chunjay; #3Fan; A CA Guy; Amelia; anniegetyourgun; AppyPappy; ArneFufkin; Arthur McGowan; ...
Almost as scary as sitting in a building at work or at post when a plane comes along and slams into it. Get back to us when journalists and preachers are rounded up, okay? What does "cutting edge Christianity" say about the sufficiency of each day's evil?
Matthew 6:34 "Sufficient to the day is the evil thereof."
To: chunjay
This is a suspension of Habeas Corpus situation, isn't it. The enemies of the United States have invaded our shores on false pretenses to kill Americans in a warlike manner. Certainly the public safety is at stake with these enemy foreign agents and so the Constitution does make provisions for the suspension of habeas corpus.
7 posted on
09/11/2002 7:58:52 PM PDT by
#3Fan
To: chunjay
Nat is still a HUGE far lefty , who never cared much for the Constitution, the BOR, or America. What is really SCAREY , is people, like you, who fall for this drivel !
9 posted on
09/11/2002 8:16:52 PM PDT by
nopardons
To: chunjay
Under the Justice Department's new definition... anyone defined as an "enemy combatant," very much including American citizens, can be held indefinitely by the government, without charges, a hearing, or a lawyer. The notion that enemy combatants can be held in this way is also now known as "Prisoner of War" or POW status. No doubt this dangerously novel concept was invented by John Ashcroft for purely arbitrary reasons in this so-called "war" which is really a figment of Ashcroft, Cheney and Rumsfeld's imagination and planning, and doncha know it, in league with the Mossad and Big Oil!!!
To: chunjay
I have to say that I grow increasingly uncomfortable with the progress of our 'Homeland Defense.' Why do we need an office of Homeland Defense when the
first purpose of our Federal Government is Homeland Defense? This strikes me as fundamental. The only reason we think this way is because the Federal Gov is so involved with things that don't concern it, to the detriment of those things it should.
The unlimited access to emails, phone conversations and all the rest by the law enforcement agencies isn't justified by the threat. A year later and not another successful attack. How long will it be before we realize that was a fluke because we were refusing to face the threat. You might be able to sock me from behind once but not a second time.
Instead of creating a new office of Homeland Security how about taking the money spent on foodstamps and welfare and all the rest of the socialist garbage and put it into the present law enforcement agencies and close the borders, deport all illegal aliens and others whose visas have lapsed and put the troops on the borders? If our own troops can't guard our own borders then what do they exist for? Mexican Federales regularly stage incursions into this country and fire upon local law enforcement. The situation is utterly absurd.
The threat doesn't come from American citizens but from those from outside this nation. Therefore those people should be restricted from entry, examined if they are already here, and deported if there is any doubt. It is time to demand that political correctness be refuted, rejected and overthrown.
If the First Amendment is abandoned, then who is going to stand for those that remain? Like a broken clock, even liberals are right twice a day. The Federal Gov shouldn't be investigating its own citizens in the fight against foreign terrorism. It should be investigating foreigners.
And if they don't like it, they can go back where they came from.
To: chunjay
To: chunjay
These Chicken Littles seem to forget about Japanese interment camps in WWII, blackouts, rationing, monitoring of people of German, Italian and Japanese descent...
None of this is new folks. These are the sort of things that come about in a time of WAR and are then rescinded when the war is over or the perceived threat has been vanquished.
Granted, I'd feel a little more uneasy if the *last* administration were still in power, their wont to disregard the law already thoroughly established. My greatest fear is a Democrat in the White House again in 2004 or 2008.
If you think the Constitution is taking a beating now, go back and read what restrictions Americans were under in WWI and WWII. This really isn't anything new.
To: chunjay
Wake up, we are at war.
16 posted on
09/11/2002 10:25:12 PM PDT by
A CA Guy
To: chunjay
Where was this liberal when Clinton and Reno sent out that memo to police depts and the FBI after the OKC bombing saying that right wingers were dangerous and should be considered terrorists? Where was that liberal when Clinton said that people who believed in the book of Revelation in the Bible were potential terrorists? Don't even get me started on Waco.
Seems to me that this is a bit of overkill. Perhaps it would be nice if the media used common sense in it's reporting of the war on terrorism and didn't appear to gleefully attempt to undermine the security of our troops by reporting leaks about the military plans that should be kept a secret. Perhaps they should consider how demoralizing their reporting is when they blame America first and accuse the troops of deliberately targeting civilians etc.
I would suggest that if the media didn't have an agenda that is political in nature, and just reported the facts with no spin , then the first amendment would never be in danger of being undermined. (Don't yell fire in a crowded theater for instance)
This is more liberal spin, and this article would not be, and was not written when Clinton was saying and doing the very thing this author is accusing Bush and Rummy of doing.
To: chunjay
Pollsters "found that 48 percent of respondents agreed the government should have the freedom to monitor religious groups in the interest of national security And I'm one of the 48%. We're dealing with Islamists who use mosques as fronts for their terrorist operations. Don't like it? Leave the country. You won't be missed.
22 posted on
09/12/2002 12:25:20 AM PDT by
Mr. Mojo
To: chunjay
27 posted on
09/12/2002 4:12:31 AM PDT by
raygun
To: chunjay
As has been noted by many of the posters to this thread. Why all the upset over the first amendment and not the second. To change or deminish any of them can be fatal to freedom and the Constitution.
This is the lesson that this stupid liberal author should take to heart, you cannot support the goreing of another's ox, because eventually it will be your ox being gored. You can't disdain the right to bear arms, then cry when you become afraid that your anti-American speech and press risks being limited.
To: chunjay
This brings me to my scary thought for the day: (1) So-called "enemy combatants" can be held indefinitely Gee, could he be referring to Jose Padillo the so-called dirty bomber? Well if he is, I have another scary thought for the day. That container ship being held for over 48 hours off the coast of New Jersey. New information released today has it that that ship was flagged because of intelligence received suggesting that a ship matching its description could be carrying nuclear material or a nuclear device into the United States. Special Ops has joined the search of that ship as of today. Now that's scary. We don't need the likes of Padilla walking the streets knowing that he's an al qaeda operative who had intentions of setting off a dirty bomb.
To: chunjay
This is neither scary nor what I call thought
65 posted on
09/12/2002 6:33:15 PM PDT by
woofie
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