Fla Elections Returns, live thread! (Update - Reno-McBride a near tie)

none | 9/10/02 | me

[PhiKapMom]

Don't they have rules for a run-off in Florida as neither received 50% of the vote. Since I got the original email from a good friend of mine in Florida that I posted about extending the time to vote until now, I cannot keep from chuckling since this is happening inside the Dem Party.

This looks to be to be totally orchestrated and most likely was not planned to be put in force in the primary until McBride started coming starting closing the gap. IMO this was planned for the generalal election in November but the time table moved up by the Reno camp.

Time to have everyone that runs these elections in those counties to be replaced! This has tipped the hand of the Dems for what they had planned for November -- now we need to use this information and get ready for November!

[Naspino]

Its fitting that Liberty gives Reno the lowest number of votes.

[Naspino]

See how the gap narrowed at the end? This is the same thing Al Gore did in Florida, Michigan, and Missouri.

The McKinneys did the same in Georgia. They even said -- about 5 hours after all other precincts had reported "Our base -- south dekalb -- has not reported yet which historically comes in late.."

[steveegg]

Unless the ONLY copy that can match vote and voter is in the hands of voter, it will only be a matter of time before the "temporary" archive becomes permanent. As the record would be government property, it is anything but prudent to believe that the government, and by extension, those that currys its favor, will have a "back door" that makes all the encryption and passwords in the world worthless.

[The Person]

TV NEWS:

http://www.wfor.com/elections/race100.htm

http://www.baynews9.com/NewsStory.cfm?storyid=5342

OFFICIAL:

http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/

[lasereye]

Will Reno get the military ballots with a late postmark thrown out?

[mwl1]

The whole thing is just delicious and I hope Reno takes her case to the cesspool of Florida courts.

[js1138]

Unless the ONLY copy that can match vote and voter is in the hands of voter...

Why would it be otherwise?

[lasereye]

With 97% counted, McBride's ahead by 22,000. By my calculations, assuming Jones gets 10% of the remaining votes, Reno would have get over 72% of the remaining votes, not counting absentee. This is over.

[oyez]

The Andersen thing may be an exception, but corruption in government is everywhere.

Who do you trust anymore? The banks with your money, the church with your soul, the police with you safety, the automobile driver across the median from you?

Wow, what a depressing thought.

[steveegg]

VERY interesting. Outside of Union County, let's review the remainder of counties that have less than 100.0% reporting:

Governor and Lieutenant Governor
County	% Report	Daryl L. Jones / Not Yet Designated	Bill McBride / Not Yet Designated	Janet Reno / Not Yet Designated
Broward	97.3%	11,185	41,333	93,519
Collier	91.7%	966	4,252	3,046
Desoto	0.0%	409	1,714	948
Duval	97.9%	15,372	25,414	26,560
Miami-Dade	82.7%	12,027	27,811	90,537
Palm Beach	83.9%	7,388	33,700	61,076
Sarasota	99.4%	1,936	11,268	9,759
St. Lucie	85.3%	1,798	5,481	7,041
Sumter	97.4%	661	3,123	1,403
Union	0.0%	0	0	0

By my count, that leaves El Reno leading in 5 of the incomplete counties (3 VERY heavily and 3 in counties with less than 86% of the vote in) and McBride leading in 4 (with no margin larger than 1,220 votes or a "% in" of less than 91.7% outside of the Desoto anomaly).

[steveegg]

If the information is stored on a computer system, then it is not solely in the hands of the voter; rather, it is in the hands of a third party (in this case, government) that the voter, enterprising hackers and corrupt officials would have access to.

[mwl1]

Yes, it is over, but hopefully she'll demand a recount and go to the courts.

[js1138]

You may be right in practice, but it doesn't have to be designed that way. The ballot itself doesnt have to have any identifying info -- just an encryption key tied to your receipt.

[steveegg]

Projection time (using the Florida DOS numbers posted in post 579):

Current McBride lead: 34,525
Current Broward County stats (% reporting/lead by candidate): 97.3%/146,037/52,186 for Reno
Projected additional gain in Broward County for Reno: 1,448
Current Collier County stats: 91.7%/1,206 for McBride
Projected additional gain in Collier County for McBride: 109
(Desoto is too fouled up to calculate)
Current Duval County stats: 97.9%/1,146 for Reno
Projected additional gain in Duval County for Reno: 25
Current Miami-Dade County stats: 82.7%/62,726 for Reno
Projected additional gain in Miami-Dade County for Reno: 13,122
Current Palm Beach County stats: 83.9%/27,376 for Reno
Projected additional gain in Palm Beach County for Reno: 5,253
Current Sarasota County stats: 99.4%/1,509 for McBride
Projected additional gain in Sarasota County for McBride: 9
Current St. Lucie County stats: 85.3%/1,560 for Reno
Projected additional gain in St. Lucie County for Reno: 269
Current Sumter County stats: 97.4%/1,720 for McBride
(Union County has not reported any returns) Projected additional gain in Sumter County for McBride: 46
Total projected gain for McBride: 164
Total projected gain for Reno: 21,238
Net projected gain for Reno: 21,074
Theoretical margin of victory for McBride: 13,451 (roughly 0.9 percentage points)

[steveegg]

You know what they say; the devil's in the details.

[Nuke'm Glowing]

I've missed Larsen lately as I've been up until 2-3 a.m. working the last 3 nights. I wish I had heard that interview!!! All of these self righteous morons keep signing these petitions for amendments but don't ever ask how much it cost. They asked me to sign it, and I told the lady, why don't we cut the pay for all the management of the school system and the board as I think that spending 500 bucks a night for a suite in Vegas for a NEA convention was raping the taxpayers. Needless to say the other 3 people standing there with me walked away too.

[js1138]

You've got a lot of details in your projections, but the current lead is 24,000, not 31,000. Burno is picking up 67% of South Florida with 108,000 uncounted ballots. My math says it's a toss-up. At any rate, I expect a run-off, since neither cndidate is approaching 50% and the results will be disputed.

[steveegg]

Details, details. My projections using the last DOS numbers dovetail what the media's been gleaning since those numbers were posted. I say, "Head for the magic half-percent Reno!"

[NautiNurse]

It would be too much fun if Reno battles the primary results right up to
November 5th. Run, Janet, run!

Crossing my fingers for more Palm Beach and Miami-Dade Reno votes by the newly dead...