Fla Elections Returns, live thread! (Update - Reno-McBride a near tie)

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[katherineisgreat]

I'm starting a live thread for election returns in Florida.

So drop by and we can share the returns together! :) _Abbey

[kellynla]

Hasn't that been Karen Harris (sp? name?) whoever that is running for Congress and had to give up her position??? wasn't she the one responsible for all this???

[ovrtaxt]

No. The elections are managed at the county level.

[kellynla]

Well at least she is in the clear. So all of this is the individual counties' responsibility or will they be able to blame Jeb Bush for it???

[Area51]

Back to the original voting machine that worked well in Floriduh!

[Area51]

Ah yes, the Good ole Days!!!
Let everyone see just how incompetent you really are,Democritters.

[dawn53]

Won't be blaming Jeb. Here's a link to a really interesting article in the Ft. Lauderdale Sun Sentinel.

Seems they're calling for the replacement of the Broward County Supervisor of Elections in that county.

Evidently her staunchest supporters in the past have been the NAACP and People for the American Way, but now (AND THERE IS WONDERFUL IRONY IN THIS), these groups as well as other Dems think that Jeb should replace her before the Nov. election.

LINK

[oyez]

Maybe it time to get someone else to run the elections besides the government. How about privite accounting firms like Ernst & Young backed by security firms like Lumis-Fargo?

[Conservativegreatgrandma]

This isn't incompetence. It's fraud. It was fraud 2 years ago and it's fraud now.

[js1138]

I voted in Duval with the optical ballot. Smooth as butter.The ballot can't be tampered with. Each ballot is read and counted before you leave, and the count is visible to the voter.

In 2000, the counties that used optical ballots had no changes during the recount process.

[dawn53]

I used the new touch screen. No problems either, although, it felt odd not to have something tangible in my hand to prove how I voted.

Intellectually, I know that once you put your ballot in the ballot box, the process was out of your hands and in the hands of the election workers, but having a machine just flash a screen at you and say, "Your vote has been registered" was definitely sort of freaky.

[lavrenti]

Right you are. The more complex and fool-proof the voting machinery, the more "inept" and "prone to mishap" the problems.

This an utter joke.

[js1138]

I do not trust the touch screen machines. As a programmer I am aware of how easy it could be to tamper with those machines. With current encryption technology it would be possible to publish the raw data from these machines, or from the optical machines. Each voter could be given a receipt with a transaction number and be able to verify their vote online. You could even do it in such a way that anyone finding your receipt could not find out how you voted without a pin number.

[Redbob]

RE: Fisher-Price Voting Device

LOL!

This whole thing puts me in mind of commentary I read two years ago, to the effect that, this is the logical conclusion for the party that makes its' entire appeal to the stupid!

What do you do when your constituency is too stupid to vote?

[steveegg]

I'd much rather not have on-line verification, because even with encryption and a "foolproof" PIN number, how YOU voted would still be available to someone other than yourself, and that opens up a whole keg of worms. Now, a receipt that is printed where the voter can easily claim it, that is something worth looking into.

[Redbob]

A paper ballot can always be re-counted; that can never reliably be done with an electronic voting machine.
You just have to take the machine's "word" for a count, and hope it hasn't been tampered with.

Thank heavens computers can't be hacked, eh?

[truthandlife]

I think it is interesting to see how Democrats like Janet Reno know how to manipulate the voter system. Remember Democrats are the king of voter fraud. When you know how to do this and it is close race this is always how it happens.

You opponent jumps out to an early lead and then at the end of the night, the Democrats (Janet Reno in this case) gets a few precincts where she knows how to stuff the ballot box. She finds out how many votes she needs at the end of the night and starts the stuffing in her picked out counties (usually predominantly African American precincts where she has a deal with the precinct chair.) See how the gap narrowed at the end? This is the same thing Al Gore did in Florida, Michigan, and Missouri.

[kellynla]

Accounting firms may not be such a good idea...especially after the Andersen (sp?) debacle...but heck if FL can get the lottery done why not an election????

[1Old Pro]

Yeah, her campaign manager has said they are going to have to look very closely at the validity of the election. Oh please, let them file a lawsuit and let it go to the Florida Supreme Court. That would be just too rich!

It ought to keep them busy until long after Bush wins.

[NautiNurse]

Here's the latest (10:15am 11 September). Miami-Dade has lots of votes left to swing Janet's direction. I don't understand the complete omission of Union county. Did I miss something last night?

Florida Department of State
Division of Elections
September 10, 2002 Primary Election
Democratic Primary

UNOFFICIAL ELECTION NIGHT RETURNS
(may not include absentee or provisional ballots)

Governor and Lieutenant Governor
County	% Report	Daryl L. Jones / Not Yet Designated	Bill McBride / Not Yet Designated	Janet Reno / Not Yet Designated
Alachua	100.0%	2,118	16,443	7,780
Baker	100.0%	591	2,195	776
Bay	100.0%	2,508	8,722	3,508
Bradford	100.0%	608	2,191	1,040
Brevard	100.0%	4,420	17,287	14,545
Broward	97.3%	11,185	41,333	93,519
Calhoun	100.0%	577	2,032	488
Charlotte	100.0%	688	5,352	3,709
Citrus	100.0%	978	6,618	4,361
Clay	100.0%	865	3,072	2,317
Collier	91.7%	966	4,252	3,046
Columbia	100.0%	1,274	5,009	1,990
Desoto	0.0%	409	1,714	948
Dixie	100.0%	271	1,868	486
Duval	97.9%	15,372	25,414	26,560
Escambia	100.0%	3,611	13,089	6,540
Flagler	100.0%	856	3,316	3,033
Franklin	100.0%	220	1,633	567
Gadsden	100.0%	1,617	4,849	3,425
Gilchrist	100.0%	329	1,742	517
Glades	100.0%	225	794	555
Gulf	100.0%	584	2,236	670
Hamilton	100.0%	319	1,424	592
Hardee	100.0%	564	1,798	576
Hendry	100.0%	357	1,235	869
Hernando	100.0%	1,132	6,337	5,075
Highlands	100.0%	1,067	2,786	1,941
Hillsborough	100.0%	11,835	45,964	24,791
Holmes	100.0%	505	2,729	555
Indian River	100.0%	995	2,790	3,415
Jackson	100.0%	1,785	4,971	1,470
Jefferson	100.0%	573	2,399	871
Lafayette	100.0%	211	1,286	317
Lake	100.0%	1,314	9,023	4,333
Lee	100.0%	2,052	11,512	9,486
Leon	100.0%	4,660	24,719	10,977
Levy	100.0%	550	3,708	1,173
Liberty	100.0%	266	1,460	374
Madison	100.0%	558	2,038	916
Manatee	100.0%	1,925	10,281	7,490
Marion	100.0%	2,836	10,809	11,062
Martin	100.0%	739	3,129	4,701
Miami-Dade	82.7%	12,027	27,811	90,537
Monroe	100.0%	671	1,989	4,000
Nassau	100.0%	866	2,685	1,771
Okaloosa	100.0%	1,062	4,909	2,047
Okeechobee	100.0%	617	2,399	1,448
Orange	100.0%	8,223	32,965	22,560
Osceola	100.0%	1,165	4,967	3,385
Palm Beach	83.9%	7,388	33,700	61,076
Pasco	100.0%	2,788	15,613	11,067
Pinellas	100.0%	6,741	40,202	30,345
Polk	100.0%	7,459	20,560	11,845
Putnam	100.0%	1,488	5,197	3,436
Santa Rosa	100.0%	799	4,945	1,510
Sarasota	99.4%	1,936	11,268	9,759
Seminole	100.0%	2,121	10,536	5,277
St. Johns	100.0%	1,354	5,034	3,695
St. Lucie	85.3%	1,798	5,481	7,041
Sumter	97.4%	661	3,123	1,403
Suwannee	100.0%	698	2,931	1,336
Taylor	100.0%	464	2,085	757
Union	0.0%	0	0	0
Volusia	100.0%	4,526	19,330	14,831
Wakulla	100.0%	468	3,121	1,152
Walton	100.0%	717	3,166	1,196
Washington	100.0%	685	2,368	581
Total		151,237	587,944	563,419
Percent		11.6%	45.1%	43.3%

[js1138]

...how YOU voted would still be available to someone other than yourself,...

Not except through coercion. If you are referring to union thugs, then perhaps.