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In case any of you didn't know, the newer digital thermometers and alcohol thermometers are not as accurate as mercury thermometers. They thus are denying us the most accurate, reliable way to take temperatures, as well as violating the tenth amendment. Note that the republicans, those champions of individual liberty, voted for this ban as well.
1 posted on 09/10/2002 9:56:27 AM PDT by Korth
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This is how they are protecting us? Priorities, go figure.
2 posted on 09/10/2002 10:00:18 AM PDT by rhombus
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Thank God the Senate's finally letting some of those bills go through, right? </sarcasm>
3 posted on 09/10/2002 10:01:03 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion
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unflippin believable.....my gut reaction was the bad USA
was hogging mercury denying 3td world countries
4 posted on 09/10/2002 10:01:05 AM PDT by cactusSharp
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If you fully realized the health dangers of mercury, you wouldn't be so willing to make this some lame states-rights issue. A small quanity of mercury, say a thermometer-full, can contaminate a LARGE area, especially if it makes its way to the groundwater. So please, spare us your libertarian spiel.
5 posted on 09/10/2002 10:03:37 AM PDT by Tony Niar Brain
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If I throw a thermometer into a 40 acre lake , will I only contaninate half of the fish? And if so, which half?
6 posted on 09/10/2002 10:06:02 AM PDT by folklore
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17 tons of mercury a year?!?!?! How much mercury is in each thermometers? A quarter ounce? Whats that total in thermomerters? Has to be in the TRILLIONS!

Where are they getting this number?

12 posted on 09/10/2002 10:10:34 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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Wow! I feel safe to bend over now...
14 posted on 09/10/2002 10:12:30 AM PDT by toupsie
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The Environmental Protection Agency estimates medical mercury thermometers contribute about 17 tons of mercury to solid waste per year, said Sen. Susan Collins, a Maine Republican and chief sponsor of the measure.

I can only hope that this is not an accurate quote, coming from the EPA.

For starters, mercury could not be 'solid waste' for the simple reason that it is a LIQUID.

Secondly, the amount of mercury per thermometer is minuscule, probably 1/10 of 1 gram per thermometer. This would indicate that 170,000,000 mercury-based thermometers are discarded each year, which would be simply unbelievable.

And, even if it were true, check this out:

DEMAND: Manufacturing of chlorine and caustic soda consumes approximately 35 percent of the mercury used in the United States, according to the USGS. Electrical and electronic applications consume 30 percent, and the remaining 35 percent is used for such applications as measuring and control instruments and dental amalgams. An estimated 400 tonnes of mercury were consumed in the United States in 1998, up from 346 tonnes in 1997 but down from earlier years. The value of mercury used in the United States was estimated at $2 million, the USGS said.

15 posted on 09/10/2002 10:12:47 AM PDT by A Vast RightWing Conspirator
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The Senate can stick the thermometer issue up their collective @ss.
17 posted on 09/10/2002 10:13:46 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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But they cannot approve new judges for the judiciary.

Disgusting!

20 posted on 09/10/2002 10:16:56 AM PDT by Salvation
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Whassamatta? Don't you like being dumbed-down?!

Don't you like being told what's right and what is “unacceptable”?

Welcome to the new order comrade. Leave your wallet and your common sense in the tray by the door! :^()

21 posted on 09/10/2002 10:17:02 AM PDT by johnny7
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Good Lord, is there no end to their meddling?

I used to joke that Daylight Savings Time was the government's way of demostrating that even Time itself was not exempt from their command, but this is getting ridiculous...

22 posted on 09/10/2002 10:17:31 AM PDT by backhoe
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I thought this was a joke when I read the headline.

During a time of war we have a Senate who has not submitted a budget and has not voted on the defense bill that President Bush keeps asking for...rather than voting on these they vote on banning mercury termometers?!!!

Unbelieveable. But why am I surprised - what should I expect from a Senate led by little Tommy Dashle.


23 posted on 09/10/2002 10:17:59 AM PDT by KyBushBabe
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This is all a bunch of hooey. The REAL reason they're doing this is because of "unsubstantiated" reports that Al Qaeda operatives are purchasing an unusual number of mercury thermometers. It may be part of a plot to poison fish ponds. But remember, this is base upon "unsubstantiated" intel; even though it's from a usually reliable source.

</tinfoil>

</sarcasm>

25 posted on 09/10/2002 10:19:26 AM PDT by Redcloak
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"One mercury thermometer contains about one gram of mercury," said Collins, "enough mercury to contaminate all the fish in a 20-acre (8 hectare) lake."

This sounds like nonsense, all the more so because the DEPTH of the lake is unstated.

26 posted on 09/10/2002 10:22:36 AM PDT by dighton
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In case any of you didn't know, the newer digital thermometers and alcohol thermometers are not as accurate as mercury thermometers. They thus are denying us the most accurate, reliable way to take temperatures,

This is false. I offer the following in rebuttal (original source url: http://www.sustainablehospitals.org/HTMLSrc/IP_Merc_FTNonmerc.html):

Sustainable Hospitals

 
Mercury Fact Sheets
 

Selecting Non-Mercury Thermometers
 
 
Alternatives to glass/mercury thermometers are quite appealing as they are easier and faster to use and avoid the shortcomings of glass/mercury thermometers. The risks of broken glass and exposure to mercury are eliminated, as well as the cost of a clean-up and disposal of mercury from a broken thermometer. With the variety of alternatives available, it is essential that one make an educated choice, to ensure that the tool satisfies the task. Here are some points worth thinking about when you consider thermometers:

1. Acceptable standards of accuracy

Thermometers for medical use are typically tested to voluntary standards set by the American Society of Testing and Materials (ASTM)(See reference 1). The following table shows the maximum error allowed. One sees that glass/mercury and electronic thermometers have the same requirements over the range of 96.4 - 106 F. 

Maximum Error over Temperature Range Shown
Thermometer Type ASTM Procedure
(see reference 1)
<96.4 F 96.4 < to 98 F 98.0 to 102 F >102 to 106 F >106 F
Mercury in Glass E667-86 (reapproved 1991)1 ±0.4 ±0.3 ±0.2 ±0.3 ±0.4
Electronic Thermometers E1112-86 (reapproved 1991)1 ±0.5 ±0.3 ±0.2 ±0.3 ±0.5

It is important to note that many thermometers read out to a smaller division than the accuracy of the thermometer itself. For example, digital thermometers which read to 0.1 degrees F may be accurate only to +/- 0.2 F or less. If the accuracy is +/- 0.2 degrees F, the true temperature of a thermometer reading 98.9 F is in the range of 98.7 - 99.1 degrees Fahrenheit. Therefore when selecting a thermometer, one must look closely at the accuracy, rather than the smallest increment reported.
 

2. Accuracy of glass/mercury thermometers

Inherent in any discussion of alternatives is the assumption that glass/mercury thermometers are accurate. Data suggests that our faith in glass/mercury thermometers may be misplaced.

Leick-Rude and Bloom (See reference 2) describe a study in which axillary temperature in neonates was taken with non-mercury thermometers and compared with a "standard" of glass/mercury thermometers. For the purpose of the study, the accuracy of each glass/mercury thermometer was tested as a condition of accepting it for the study. 25% of the glass/mercury thermometers tested differed from the reference thermometer by >0.2 degrees Centigrade and were deemed unacceptable for use in the study. The authors cite another study in which 28% of glass/mercury thermometers were discarded because they differed by more than 0.1 degree Centigrade from the reference thermometer. The authors raise concern as to the accuracy of glass/mercury thermometers for general use, when one out of four of those tested was not deemed accurate enough. (In fact, the ASTM standard for glass/mercury medical thermometers specifies a maximum allowable error of + 0.1 C in the cited range).
 

3. Favoring the old standard

Chamberlain and Terndrup (See reference 3) remind us that "Whenever a new clinical test is introduced, investigators measure its accuracy by comparing it to an accepted standard, termed the 'gold standard'. Because of this comparison to the old standard, initial testing will, by definition, favor the old method, even if the new clinical test is a better test".
 

4. Use of rectal, oral, or axillary readings as a reference for tympanic temperature

The publication The Clinical Utility of Ear Thermometers (See reference 4) describes different methods and their limitations for measuring body temperature. It cites that the medically accepted "gold standard" for core temperature is pulmonary artery blood temperature. However this is an invasive technique, so rectal, oral, or axillary readings are often used as a crude estimate of body core temperature. Each site is reflective of a different blood supply, with separate rates of change with a rising or falling body temperature. Additionally, each site has variables unique to that site that influence the body temperature measured. The publication concludes that since each site provides its own characteristic temperature properties, comparing a tympanic temperature directly with oral, axillary, or rectal temperatures is inherently flawed. 

The lesson here is that with an understanding of how tympanic thermometers work, they offer a safe, convenient alternative to oral, axillary, or rectal temperature measurement. Education is critical to satisfactory performance, and manufacturers are well prepared to advise and coach clinicians on the use of their products.
 

5. Customer Satisfaction

Numerous interviews with users of non-mercury thermometers provide convincing evidence that alternatives are viable and well-received in health care facilities. For more information on mercury and on product alternatives, check our Sustainable Hospitals web site at http://www.sustainablehospitals.org or feel free to contact us at SHP@uml.edu or (978) 934-3386.
 

References:

1) 1997 Annual Book of ASTM Standards, Roberta A. Storer, Editorial Services Director, American Society of Testing and Materials (ASTM), West Conshohocken, PA

2) MK Leick-Rude and Bloom LF, "A comparison of temperature-taking methods in neonates", Neonatal Network; August, 1998, Volume 17 No. 5, pp. 21-37

3) James M. Chamberlain, MD, and Thomas E. Terndrup, MD, "New light on ear thermometer readings" Contemporary Pediatrics; March, 1994.

4) The Clinical Utility of Ear Thermometers, Published by Braun Thermoscan, Pub. No. 0996-267P-R1097


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28 posted on 09/10/2002 10:26:33 AM PDT by Brandon
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Monumental Statesmen!
32 posted on 09/10/2002 10:34:01 AM PDT by lormand
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wahoo! Thank God they're doing their job and regulating interstate commerce. Bastards.
36 posted on 09/10/2002 10:40:43 AM PDT by WindMinstrel
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I'm so glad our Masters have their priorities straight.
45 posted on 09/10/2002 10:55:18 AM PDT by jjm2111
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This is from The Onion, right?
50 posted on 09/10/2002 11:13:03 AM PDT by Darth Sidious
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