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The Muslim Units of the Waffen SS
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Posted on 09/09/2002 6:35:31 AM PDT by 2banana

Background:

When the Independent State of Croatia proclaimed its independence on April 10th 1941, during the German invasion of Yugoslavia, part of the land it claimed was the former Austro-Hungarian province of Bosnia-Herzegovina. The province was an ethnic and religious mix, with a portion of the population being Catholic Croatian, a portion being Orthodox Serbian, and a portion being Croatians of the Muslim faith. It was these Muslim inhabitants of Bosnia that Himmler and the SS would target in their recruitment of a Croatian SS Division

The reasons for the recruitment in particular of Croatian Muslims by the SS were many-fold. For one, Himmler was fascinated by the Islamic faith, and thought Muslims to be fearless soldiers willing to kill for their religion. Himmler also subscribed to the propaganda theory that Croatians (and therefore the Croatian Muslims) were not, in fact, Slavic people, but actually of Aryan (Gothic) descent, and thereby acceptable to the racially "pure" SS. The fact that this ludicrous theory would not hold up to any kind of serious scrutiny was conveniently ignored. Finally, the Germans were hoping to rally the World's 350 million Muslims to their side, in a struggle against the British Empire. The creation of a Muslim, albeit European Muslim Division, was considered a stepping stone to this greater end.

Adolf Hitler approved of Himmler's idea on February 13th 1943. Prior to the formation of the division, however, approval also had to be granted by the Croatian government, as their citizens were to be recruited, and on Croatian territory. The Croatian Poglavnik, Ante Pavelic, and his ministers had many problems with the idea, but eventually agreed to the division's creation on March 5th 1943. The divisional strength reached the required 26,000 men by mid 1943.

The new division was assigned the number "13", and originally named the "13 SS Frei.Gebirgs Division (kroatien). The full name "13 Waffen-Gebirgs-Division der SS 'Handschar' (kroatische Nr. 1)" was not given until May, 1944. A "Handschar" (or Handzar in Croatian) is curved Turkish sword - the Scimitar. This sword has historically been the symbol of Bosnia. The Division was to have 2 Infantry Regiments (Waffen-Gebirgs-Jager Regiments der SS 27 & 28 - kroatisches Nrs. 1 & 2), an Artillery Regiment (SS-Gebirgs-Artillerie Regiment 13), a Reconnaissance Company, a Panzerjager Company, a Flak Company, a Pioneer Battalion, and other support units; and was designated an SS "mountain" division. The first commander (from March 9, 1943 till August 1, 1943) was SS Standartenfuhrer Herbert von Obwurzer. Oberfuhrer (later Brigadefuhrer) Karl-Gustav Sauberzweig took over till June 1st 1944, when Desiderius Hampel (Oberfuhrer, later Brigadefuhrer) replaced him. Hampel commanded the remnants of the division until its surrender on May 8th 1945.

The uniform worn by the division was regular SS issue, with a divisional collar patch showing an arm, holding a Scimitar, over a Swastika. On the left arm was a Croatian armshield (red-white chessboard). Headgear was the Muslim Fez, in field grey (normal service) or red ("walking out"), with the SS eagle and death's head emblazoned. Non-Muslim members could opt to wear the normal SS mountain cap. The oval mountain troop Edelweiss patch was worn on the right arm.

Muslim Clerics and the Nazis:

During the Second World War in Yugoslavia many Muslim clerics in Bosnia and Kosovo were willing accomplices in the genocide of the nations Serbian, Jewish and Roma population. From 1941 until 1945, the Nazi-installed regime of Ante Pavelic in Croatia carried out some of the most horrific crimes of the Holocaust (known as the Porajmos by the Roma), killing over 800,000 Yugoslav citizens - 750,000 Serbs, 60,000 Jews and 26,000 Roma. In these crimes, they were helped by Muslim fundamentalists in Bosnia and Kosovo who were openly supported by the Palestinian Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini. A notorious anti-Semite, he openly encouraged Muslims to join Nazi units that would be later implicated in genocide and crimes against humanity - the infamous Hanjar (or Handschar) 13th Waffen SS division. One of these crimes was The Massacre at Koritska Jama Gorge, in Bosnia during 1941 .

Many of the victims of the Holocaust/Porajmos were murdered in the Second World War's third largest death camp - Jasenovac, where over 200,000 people - mainly Orthodox Serbs met their deaths.

The most senior Muslim cleric to be involved in the Holocaust/Porajmos was Hajj Amin al-Husseini, who according to the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (Edition 1990, Volume 2, Pages 706 and 707), made a substantial contribution to the Axis war effort by organizing "in record time" recruitment to Muslim SS units in Croatia that would be involved in some of the worse atrocities of the Second World War.

Altogether, it is estimated that some 20,000 Muslims fought in the Hanjar (Sword) SS Division, which fought against Yugoslav partisans led by General Tito, and carried out police and security details in fascist Hungary. The Nazi's recruited two SS divisions from Yugoslavia's Muslim population: the infamous Bosnian 13th Waffen Hanjar (or Handschar) SS division, and the Albanian Skanderbeg 21st Waffen SS division. SS conscription in Yugoslavia during the war produced 42,000 Waffen SS and police troops

The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem:

Once in Berlin, the Mufti received an enthusiastic reception by the "Islamische Zentralinstitut" and the whole Islamic community of Germany, which welcomed him as the "Führer of the Arabic world." In an introductory speech, he called the Jews the "most fierce enemies of the Muslims" and an "ever corruptive element" in the world. Husseini soon became an honored guest of the Nazi leadership and met on several occasions with Hitler. He personally lobbied the Führer against the plan to let Jews leave Hungary, fearing they would immigrate to Palestine. He also strongly intervened when Adolf Eichman tried to cut a deal with the British government to exchange German POWs for 5000 Jewish children who also could have fled to Palestine. The Mufti's protests with the SS were successful, as the children were sent to death camps in Poland instead. One German officer noted in his journals that the Mufti would liked to have seen the Jews "preferably all killed." On a visit to Auschwitz, he reportedly admonished the guards running the gas chambers to work more diligently. Throughout the war, he appeared regularly on German radio broadcasts to the Middle East, preaching his pro-Nazi, anti-Semitic message to the Arab masses back home.

To show gratitude towards his hosts, in 1943 the Mufti traveled several times to Bosnia, where on orders of the SS he recruited the notorious "Hanjar troopers," a special Bosnian Waffen SS company which slaughtered 90% of Bosnia's Jews and burned countless Serbian churches and villages. These Bosnian Muslim recruits rapidly found favor with SS chief Heinrich Himmler, who established a special Mullah Military school in Dresden.

The only condition the Mufti set for his help was that after Hitler won the war, the entire Jewish population in Palestine should be liquidated. After the war, Husseini fled to Switzerland and from there escaped via France to Cairo, were he was warmly received.


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To: Redbob
Does this include "the Muslims" in Turkey or "the Muslims" in Tunisia, or "the Muslims" in Afganistan who celebrated the fall of the taliban in Afghanistan, "the Muslims" who are protesting the rule of Mullahs (and risking their lives in the process in Iran), "the Muslims who are Kurds fighting Iraqi rule? By embracing the indiscriminate collective guilt theory, you are also embracing the theory which has done the most harm in the twentieth century.

Much of modern Islam is screwed up. Trying to reverse this process will never be accomplished, however, by feel good bashing of every single Muslim. Enjoy yourself while you again. Because the left will soon (and already is) using the same simplistic collective guilt theory to attack all religion.

BTW, do you also believe "the Catholics" are all pedophiles?

61 posted on 09/09/2002 10:20:04 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Good points. We (advocates of free and ordered civic society) have many allies in the Muslim World. The precept to "know your enemy" cuts both ways.
62 posted on 09/09/2002 10:25:11 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: Austin Willard Wright
Islam is NOT a religion. Its a cult.

Its founder and his teachings encourage, approve of, and even demand violence against "unbelievers", whoever thay might be.

While certain parts of Islamic teachings are positive, the belief system as a whole is violent, vicious, intolerant, bigoted and theocratic. In short, everything western civilzation has fought so long to overcome in itself.

No sane person can comapare the mad rantings of Mohammad, and his vicious doctines and life model to the teachings of ANYOTHER belief system, from Animism to Zoroastrianism.

As soon as the Islamic population bomb explodes in the U.S. and other western nations, they will lobby, demonstrate, protest, fight and kill, to impose Sharia Law on everyone in those nations.
63 posted on 09/09/2002 10:27:29 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: 2banana
You could just as easily done a post on Dutch Units of the SS or Belgian Units of the SS or Ukranian or Italian or French Units of the SS.
64 posted on 09/09/2002 10:29:07 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Dutch units? Far too nuanced for the collectivist Muslim bashers I'm afraid.
65 posted on 09/09/2002 10:32:17 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: dennisw
The more things change, the more they remain the same.
66 posted on 09/09/2002 10:37:04 AM PDT by Nuke'm Glowing
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To: Non-Sequitur
You would have a point if this was a "Croatian" Waffen SS unit. It was specifically designed to be a muslim unit because the Germans knew how ruthless they would be...

Also, I do not know of any SS unit that was designed to be specifically a "Southern Baptist" unit (or put whatever denomination you want). All the rest were of national origin.
67 posted on 09/09/2002 10:44:54 AM PDT by 2banana
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To: 2banana
Well then Himmler really blew it, didn't he, since the division was a total flop as a combat unit. Maybe it was recruited less for their ruthlessness and more for their PR value since Turkey was neutral and Great Britain had large Muslim populations in their empire? Just like the PR reasons why there were Dutch Units in the SS and Belgian Units in the SS and Ukranian and Italian and French Units of the SS.

68 posted on 09/09/2002 10:52:43 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Austin Willard Wright
The secularist humanists are using simplistic bashing of all Muslims only strengthen their attempt to bash all people of religious faith. Have fun while you can but you will be next.

We've had the privilege, in our lifetime, of watching the fall of one world-wide antichristian system of thought (communism). Islam seems to be on the chopping block at the moment -- but secular humanism is also on God's short list, I believe. Our challenge is to build a consistent and credible set of Christian answers, in order to create the mental infrastructure for a new social order. The bishop of Hippo did exactly this in 435, when the entire world as he knew it was coming apart. Augustine's City of God defined the terms of social interaction for the next thousand years, and laid the foundations for the political liberty we've enjoyed in the west.

69 posted on 09/09/2002 10:54:50 AM PDT by TomSmedley
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To: Non-Sequitur
You could just as easily done a post on Dutch Units of the SS or Belgian Units of the SS or Ukranian or Italian or French Units of the SS.

And you could just as easily do your own post. Since when are you in the business of micro-managing his posting?

70 posted on 09/09/2002 10:56:24 AM PDT by Lent
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To: Lent
Nest time maybe he should just up and say that he only wants people who agree with him to respond. Absent that kind of warning I'm assuming it's open season.
72 posted on 09/09/2002 10:59:50 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Actually, the Handschar division was not a total flop. Against partisans, it was a reasonably effective unit, but it never rose to the level of its sister division, Prinz Eugen. When the Germans withdrew from Bosnia under Soviet pressure in late 1944, the Bosnian Muslims started to desert. A handful remained with the unit and, reinforced with more German troops, put up a very tough fight against the Russians in the last months of the war (nearly all of the Knight's Crosses awarded to the division were in this latter period). I highly recommed Depre's book on the division ("Himmler's Bosnian Division").

You are also incorrect to assert that the western European volunteers were just for PR. On the contrary, they recruited hundreds of thousands of western Europeans who put up a superb fight on the eastern front. The Norwegian, Finnish, Danish, Walloon, Dutch and French SS divisions all compiled superb combat records, and suffered terribly in the process. They were hardly the stuff of PR units for mere show.

The only strictly PR units set up by the Waffen-SS were the Indian Legion and British Freikorps. The former was disbanded, and the decent recruits sent to join the Indian National Army in Burma. The latter was largely destroyed in the fighting for Berlin when attached to the 11th SS division Nordland.

73 posted on 09/09/2002 11:08:03 AM PDT by Seydlitz
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To: Non-Sequitur
It was an OK line combat unit but a great unit for rounding up partisians/unarmed non-muslim civilians for concentration camps (which is why it was created).
75 posted on 09/09/2002 11:12:15 AM PDT by 2banana
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To: Tropoljac
I disagree. There were muslim police units raised in this area.

Miranda Vickers, in her book Between Serb and Albanian: A History of Kosovo, describes how these Albanian Muslims were involved in forced deportations of Jews and Serbs; how 10,000 Serbs and Jews were burnt out of their homes in scores of villages; how the Albanian 21st Waffen SS division entered Hitler’s army and at once murdered 210 Jews in Kosovo.

Or check out the Koritska Jama Gorge massacre where thousands of Jews were slaughtered by these muslim units.

Yes, you maybe correct that technically their unit's mission was patrolling an area of Bosnia but in reality they helped where ever they could in rounding up and killing Serbs, Gypsies and Jews.




77 posted on 09/09/2002 11:43:43 AM PDT by 2banana
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To: Tropoljac
When I first saw the pics, (POST#33) I thought they were Muslims too, but the majority of those pictured are German officers of the Division. They're all published in Lepre's book.

Take a look here. Same pictures as post #33 but with captions. The captions say they are Muslims.
http://www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/bosnia.html

 

79 posted on 09/09/2002 2:03:47 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Austin Willard Wright
That should have been your first post. Now, you have made a point.

That said, Islam is a violent, backward cult founded by a murderer and child molester.

80 posted on 09/09/2002 2:13:48 PM PDT by ecomcon
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