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Lying is cultural trait of Arabs, says Barak
The Guardian ^ | May 23, 2002 | Brian Whitaker

Posted on 09/08/2002 12:38:13 PM PDT by Lockbox

Palestinians have no compunction about telling lies and see truth as irrelevant, the former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak has claimed in an interview. "They are products of a culture in which to tell a lie... creates no dissonance," Mr Barak says. "They don't suffer from the problem of telling lies that exists in Judaeo-Christian culture."

"Truth is seen as an irrelevant category," he says."There is only that which serves your purpose and that which doesn't. They see themselves as emissaries of a national movement for whom everything is permissible. There is no such thing as 'the truth'."

Interviewed by the Jewish historian Benny Morris for an article in the latest issue of the New York Review of Books, Mr Barak not only relates his comments about lying to Yasser Arafat in particular, but to Arab society in general.

He says: "The deputy director of the US Federal Bureau of Investigation once told me that there are societies in which lie detectors don't work, societies in which lies do not create cognitive dissonance [on which the tests are based]."

As an example of Mr Arafat's alleged mendacity, Mr Barak cites an incident in October 2000, shortly after the start of the intifada. The Israeli and Palestinian leaders, together with Madeleine Albright, the US secretary of state at the time, were meeting in Paris to discuss a ceasefire.

Mr Arafat had agreed to call a number of his police commanders to implement a truce.

Mr Barak recalls protesting: "'But these are not the people organising the violence. If you are serious, then call Marwan Bargouti and Hussein al-Sheikh [two West Bank Fatah leaders].'

"Arafat looked at me, with an expression of blank innocence, as if I had mentioned the names of two polar bears, and said, 'Who? Who?'

"So I repeated the names, this time with a pronounced, clear Arabic inflection... and Arafat again said, 'Who? Who?'

"At this, some of his aides couldn't stop themselves and burst out laughing. And Arafat, forced to drop the pretence, agreed to call them later."


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To: FITZ
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81 posted on 09/10/2002 1:02:22 PM PDT by timestax
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To: Grut
Gosh! Weren't things like this being said about German Jews seventy years ago?

What a truly silly comment

82 posted on 09/12/2002 7:11:48 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Lockbox
If you want to better understand the minds at work here, rent a copy of "Lawrence of Arabia." Certainly NOT the definitive work on the Middle East, but revealing nonetheless. In one scene near the end of the film, another character suggests that Lawrence is a good liar. The king (played by the late, great Sir Alec Guiness) overhears him and comments, "He should be. He's nearly an Arab."

LYING IS A WAY OF LIFE THERE -- ESPECIALLY TO THE INFIDEL (that's US folks, that's US).

83 posted on 09/12/2002 7:16:11 PM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Dick Bachert
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84 posted on 09/13/2002 5:04:41 PM PDT by timestax
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To: evolved_rage
most Arabs in the US are Christian.
85 posted on 09/14/2002 9:12:33 AM PDT by artios
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To: artios
Good. IMHO, the capacity for truth and justice between 2 groups diminishes with each level of religeous, ethnic, geographic, and economic separation, but not with equivalent reductions. I believe a Middle-Eastern-Muslim-Arab-Leader has one of the lowest thresholds of truth versus any other combination of religion, ethnicity,... and knows that he can expect more honesty from just about anyone else. I've read that ethnicity is a stronger bond among Islamics than Islam, whereas it seems like the Christian bond is stronger than ethnicity amongst Christians.
86 posted on 09/14/2002 9:33:14 AM PDT by evolved_rage
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To: Lockbox
Arab culture is not the only one where the best liar or most bombastic or best bullsh!tter is respected.
87 posted on 09/14/2002 9:39:39 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Lockbox
Could this be why Arab countries are such economic basket cases?
88 posted on 09/14/2002 9:52:41 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: aristeides
Could this be why Arab countries are such economic basket cases?

It is stunning how the oil-rich Arab countries have squandered their wealth. It kinda reminds me of a story my late mother told me. When oil was struck in West Texas in the 1920's, one ecstatic newly rich family bought a big house in town. And they would let their pigs live and run through their wealthy house in San Angelo.

But the Arabic don't have the excuse of the "Beverly Hillbilly" types, they've had their money for several decades, and all they've done is blow it on extremely non-production goals. For instance, Saudi Arabia spends 40% of their annual oil income on supporting the thousands of "royals", not to mention supporting terrorists. There isn't one thing good they've done with their vast wealth. Look at Saddam in Iraq, and Quadaffi in Libya. Idiots....

89 posted on 09/14/2002 10:22:22 AM PDT by xJones
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To: vetvetdoug
In my experience, they will very seldom admit fault or guilt. It's just not in them.
90 posted on 09/14/2002 10:24:56 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Lockbox
Lying is natural for them and they couls pass a lie detector as well because they don't view a lie as we do.
91 posted on 09/14/2002 10:25:40 AM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: scratchgolfer
Most Arabs believe Jews were behind 9-11. They are liars and delusional.

You have no way of knowing what any Arab believes. You only know what they say, and assume that what they say has some correspondence to what they believe

The Arab culture will have them say whatever they think will advance their agenda. Or just whatever is most amusing to say in order to mess with infidels' heads

92 posted on 09/14/2002 1:38:28 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: aristeides
I agree with Barak, and I'm not unsympathetic to the Arab cause. When you live in thuggish dictatorships, the ability to dissemble and disassociate from reality is a good, perhaps even necessary, way of surviving.

What I've found is that if an Arab approaches you, and swears something to you of his own volition, without prompting, and you look him in the eye, he'll almost always be good for it. If on the other hand, you back an Arab into a corner, and then get him to assent to a proposition, to their way of thinking, it's a meaningless commitment. In dictatorships, such ways of thinking are quite rational.

This is one of the reasons I think all peace treaties signed in the middle east must be ratified through referenda. This will be a lot harder than Clinton style photo op "peace treaties," but is, I feel the only way to bring peace and closure to the middle east.

93 posted on 09/14/2002 8:04:01 PM PDT by a history buff
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To: GreatOne
"David Koresh"may have been a nutjob but if you are comparing him to the "prophet Mohammed", I think you are being very insulting to Koresh. As far as I know the truth about Koresh is nowhere near as bad as that which is taught about Mohammed. Another thing, David Koresh was a legal name change adopted by a man who was born Vernon Howell, I don't believe anyone can establish for certain that Mohammed ever actually lived.
On the other hand, "bunch of nutjobs" seems a very concise and apt description.
94 posted on 09/17/2002 7:21:06 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: Montfort
Has anyone established for certain that Clinton has ever told the truth? I assumed for a long time that he must on occasion, have told the truth, much as a stopped clock is right twice a day, but I don't actually know of any occasion to be cited on which he has been known to have spoken the truth.
95 posted on 09/17/2002 7:29:15 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: scratchgolfer
I suspect that they only pretend to believe that Jews were behind the attack, much as some people pretend to believe that O.J. was not guilty.
96 posted on 09/17/2002 7:33:33 AM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: Axenolith
Mein Koran instructs its true believers to lie and kill infedels.
97 posted on 09/17/2002 7:45:24 AM PDT by SevenDaysInMay
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To: Grut
Maybe, but this time, the evidence is in, and it's true. Muslims lie, then believe their lie, then will defend the lie to the death if you don't believe it with them.
98 posted on 09/17/2002 7:48:52 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: muggs
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99 posted on 11/15/2002 4:51:57 PM PST by timestax
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To: Lockbox
The same is true of at least half of Americans. They are called in the vernacuilar Rats.
100 posted on 11/15/2002 4:53:21 PM PST by bert
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