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THOMAS JEFFERSON ON CHRISTIANITY & RELIGION
nonbeliefs.com ^ | Jim Walker

Posted on 09/05/2002 7:57:50 PM PDT by Enemy Of The State

THOMAS JEFFERSON ON CHRISTIANITY & RELIGION

Compiled by Jim Walker

"Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."

-Thomas Jefferson (Notes on Virginia, 1782)


It spite of Christian right attempts to rewrite history to make Jefferson into a Christian, little about his philosophy resembles that of Christianity. Although Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence wrote of the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God, there exists nothing in the Declaration about Christianity.

Although Jefferson believed in a Creator, his concept of it resembled that of the god of deism (the term "Nature's God" used by deists of the time). With his scientific bent, Jefferson sought to organize his thoughts on religion. He rejected the superstitions and mysticism of Christianity and even went so far as to edit the gospels, removing the miracles and mysticism of Jesus (see The Jefferson Bible) leaving only what he deemed the correct moral philosophy of Jesus.

Distortions of history occur in the minds of many Christians whenever they see the word "God" embossed in statue or memorial concrete . For example, those who visit the Jefferson Memorial in Washington will read Jefferson's words engraved: "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every from of tyranny over the mind of man." When they see the word "God" many Christians see this as "proof" of his Christianity without thinking that 'God' can have many definitions ranging from nature to supernatural. Yet how many of them realize that this passage aimed at attacking the tyranny of the Christian clergy of Philadelphia, or that Jefferson's God was not the personal god of Christianity? Those memorial words came from a letter written to Benjamin Rush in 1800 in response to Rush's warning about the Philadelphia clergy attacking Jefferson (Jefferson was seen as an infidel by his enemies during his election for President). The complete statement reads as follows:

"The returning good sense of our country threatens abortion to their hopes, & they [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: & enough too in their opinion, & this is the cause of their printing lying pamphlets against me. . ."

Jefferson aimed at laissez-faire liberalism in the name of individual freedom, He felt that any form of government control, not only of religion, but of individual mercantilism consisted of tyranny. He thought that our civil rights have no dependence on our religious opinions, any more than our opinions in physics or geometry.

If anything can clear of the misconceptions of Jeffersonian history, it can come best from the author himself. Although Jefferson had a complex view of religion, too vast for this article, the following quotes provide a glimpse of how Thomas Jefferson viewed the corruptions of Christianity and religion.


Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity.

-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.


But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.

-Thomas Jefferson, Notes on Virginia, 1782.


What is it men cannot be made to believe!

-Thomas Jefferson to Richard Henry Lee, April 22, 1786. (on the British regarding America, but quoted here for its universal appeal.)


Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787


Where the preamble declares, that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed by inserting "Jesus Christ," so that it would read "A departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion;" the insertion was rejected by the great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of its protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mohammedan, the Hindoo and Infidel of every denomination.

-Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, in reference to the Virginia Act for Religious Freedom


I concur with you strictly in your opinion of the comparative merits of atheism and demonism, and really see nothing but the latter in the being worshipped by many who think themselves Christians.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Richard Price, Jan. 8, 1789 (Richard Price had written to TJ on Oct. 26. about the harm done by religion and wrote "Would not Society be better without Such religions? Is Atheism less pernicious than Demonism?")


I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself. Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Francis Hopkinson, March 13, 1789


They [the clergy] believe that any portion of power confided to me, will be exerted in opposition to their schemes. And they believe rightly; for I have sworn upon the altar of god, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man. But this is all they have to fear from me: and enough, too, in their opinion.

-Thomas Jefferson to Dr. Benjamin Rush, Sept. 23, 1800


Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT., Jan. 1, 1802


History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes.

-Thomas Jefferson to Alexander von Humboldt, Dec. 6, 1813.


The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine. In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out diamonds from dunghills.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, January 24, 1814


Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814


In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Horatio G. Spafford, March 17, 1814


If we did a good act merely from love of God and a belief that it is pleasing to Him, whence arises the morality of the Atheist? ...Their virtue, then, must have had some other foundation than the love of God.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to Thomas Law, June 13, 1814


You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Ezra Stiles Ely, June 25, 1819


As you say of yourslef, I too am an Epicurian. I consider the genuine (not the imputed) doctrines of Epicurus as containing everything rational in moral philosophy which Greece and Rome have left us.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, Oct. 31, 1819


Among the sayings and discourses imputed to him [Jesus] by his biographers, I find many passages of fine imagination, correct morality, and of the most lovely benevolence; and others again of so much ignorance, so much absurdity, so much untruth, charlatanism, and imposture, as to pronounce it impossible that such contradictions should have proceeded from the same being.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Short, April 13, 1820


To talk of immaterial existences is to talk of nothings. To say that the human soul, angels, god, are immaterial, is to say they are nothings, or that there is no god, no angels, no soul. I cannot reason otherwise: but I believe I am supported in my creed of materialism by Locke, Tracy, and Stewart. At what age of the Christian church this heresy of immaterialism, this masked atheism, crept in, I do not know. But heresy it certainly is.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, Aug. 15, 1820


Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind.

-Thomas Jefferson to James Smith, 1822.


I can never join Calvin in addressing his god. He was indeed an Atheist, which I can never be; or rather his religion was Daemonism. If ever man worshipped a false god, he did.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823


And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this most venerated reformer of human errors.

-Thomas Jefferson, Letter to John Adams, April 11, 1823


It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [the Apocalypse], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to General Alexander Smyth, Jan. 17, 1825


All eyes are opened, or opening, to the rights of man. The general spread of the light of science has already laid open to every view the palpable truth, that the mass of mankind has not been born with saddles on their backs, nor a favored few booted and spurred, ready to ride them legitimately, by the grace of God.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Roger C. Weightman, June 24, 1826 (in the last letter he penned)



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To: moteineye
Thank you for posting that.

Coral Ridge is one of the few ministries I support.
61 posted on 09/06/2002 4:20:09 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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To: CyberCowboy777
Thanks for supporting them. I support the ACLJ also. I am sure you are familiar with this organization.The ACLJ has defended many Christian rights battered by the ACLU.The thugish ACLU tries to rule through the courts instead of the legislature. Our founding fathers never meant the courts to have the power they have.
62 posted on 09/06/2002 5:12:38 PM PDT by moteineye
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To: moteineye
ACLJ BUMP
63 posted on 09/06/2002 5:42:41 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: moteineye
That was wonderful, moteineye.

You've provided me with a great history lesson, and an enormous increase in my arsenal of facts.

Thank you.
64 posted on 09/06/2002 5:46:18 PM PDT by exodus
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To: moteineye
Only about 60% of the population of Israel is Jewish...

According to the CIA Factbook, Israel is 80% Jewish.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html

65 posted on 09/06/2002 6:01:02 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: rmlew
In 1954 the US Supreme Court created the "Wall of Seperation"

You've got the date wrong. The Supreme Court has relied on the Danbury Baptist letter since 1878, less than 90 years after the First Amendment passed. It has been the interpretation for 134 years now.

During the 1870's, the US Supreme Court, the ultimate arbiter of the Constitution, utilized the phrase "separation of church and state" in the case of Reynolds v. United States (1878). In Reynolds, the Supreme Court upheld the application of a federal law, making bigamy a crime in the territories, to a Mormon claiming polygamy was his religious duty.

The Court's opinion stated: " I contemplate with .reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, 'thus building a wall of separation between church and state." The Court further stated that Jefferson's term 'wall of separation between church and state' may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the [First] Amendment."

http://www.ifas.org/fw/0003/wrong.html
66 posted on 09/06/2002 6:09:40 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: Looking for Diogenes
What's the publish date? Of course,we know the CIA is on top of everything.
67 posted on 09/06/2002 6:22:17 PM PDT by moteineye
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To: moteineye
"In general, information available as of 1 January 2001 was used in the preparation of The World Factbook 2001."
68 posted on 09/06/2002 6:58:06 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: Looking for Diogenes
Actually I did check it out but not on the CIA page and I found the percentage of Jews in Israel to be somewhere between 78-80% on different sites. Someone had told me the 60% and I should have checked it out.
Never the less The percentage of Christians in America was 85% in 2000. It nay be less now because of our immigration policies. The point stands. Israel is called a Jewish nation and they have a smaller percentage of Jews(78-80%)than we have Christians in this country(85%).Yet a lot of people don't want to admit we are a Christian nation.Israel is called a Jewish nation and we are a Christian Nation. The Supreme court took on this issue in the 1800's and I am not sure for how long but I believe they debated the issue for a few years. They did say,"indeed America is a Christian nation".I could pull that case up if need
for stats,
be.http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_christian.html
69 posted on 09/06/2002 6:58:35 PM PDT by moteineye
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To: moteineye
" Israel's total population in 2002 is 6.5 million people....The sub-division is 81% Jews, 19% Arabs or Muslims .... "

Jewish Post http://www.jewishpost.com/jp0807/jpn0807q.htm

70 posted on 09/06/2002 7:01:23 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: moteineye
Israel is called a Jewish nation and they have a smaller percentage of Jews(78-80%)than we have Christians in this country(85%).Yet a lot of people don't want to admit we are a Christian nation.Israel is called a Jewish nation and we are a Christian Nation.

The differnce is not demographics, but intent. We were founded not as a haven for a particular religion (as Israel was), but as a haven for freedom, including freedom of religion. According to the Constitution, the Episcopalian has the same rights as the Catholic and the Hindu, regardless of which is in the majority at the time.

71 posted on 09/06/2002 7:15:02 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: Enemy Of The State
"I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just..."
--Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XVIII, 1782. ME 2:227
72 posted on 09/06/2002 7:41:42 PM PDT by j_tull
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To: hoosierskypilot
Fact: when TJ was appointed president of the Washington, DC school system, he installed a copy of Isaac Watt's hymnal and the Bible as the two primary reading texts.

This is not a fact. It has been refuted. Bibles were introduced in W.D.C. schools three years after Jefferson left on the basis of a then-popular educational system. David Barton, the author who promoted this idea, has written a press release acknowledging this and other errors.

73 posted on 09/06/2002 7:44:22 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: hoosierskypilot
"...America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” (Around 1840) by Alexis de Tocqueville, author of Democracy in America, a book which was assigned to the entire Republican freshman class of the 104th congress.

That is a lovely phrase, only there is no evidence that de Tocqueville ever wrote it. Do you have a source?

74 posted on 09/06/2002 7:57:10 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: Enemy Of The State
Organized religion often has nothing to do with Christianity. Christianity at its core is a one on one relationship between God and the individual who accepts the atoning work of Christ through His death, burial, and ressurection, and then walks by His Spirit, using the Bible as his primary instruction book. The individual is supreme, not a group. Almost all theologies in this world are based on group think, not the individual, except Christianity. Thats why life is so cheap in many countries. Its also why I don't like big churches with large congregations. It often leads to group think.
75 posted on 09/06/2002 7:58:19 PM PDT by Russell Scott
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To: Looking for Diogenes
No. You got that error off a left-wing web page. (Separation of church and state home page)
76 posted on 09/06/2002 8:27:28 PM PDT by hoosierskypilot
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To: hoosierskypilot
Fact: when TJ was appointed president of the Washington, DC school system, he installed a copy of Isaac Watt's hymnal and the Bible as the two primary reading texts.

What is the proof for this fact?

77 posted on 09/06/2002 8:35:33 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: Looking for Diogenes; hoosierskypilot
"...America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” (Around 1840) by Alexis de Tocqueville, author of Democracy in America..."

To: hoosierskypilot
That is a lovely phrase, only there is no evidence that de Tocqueville ever wrote it. Do you have a source?
# 74 by Looking for Diogenes

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I haven't actually read it, but I understood that quote to be inside de Tocqueville's book, "Democracy in America."

I've heard that quote attributed to his book several times.

78 posted on 09/06/2002 8:56:01 PM PDT by exodus
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To: exodus
I haven't actually read it, but I understood that quote to be inside de Tocqueville's book, "Democracy in America." I've heard that quote attributed to his book several times.

Repetition does not make something true. It makes what Goebbels called a 'big lie.'

Here is the complete text of 'Democracy in America' in two volumes. It is easy to do a computer search for the phrase. My search came up empty. Let us know if you have better luck.

http://digital.library.upenn.edu/webbin/gutbook/lookup?num=815

http://digital.library.upenn.edu/webbin/gutbook/lookup?num=816

79 posted on 09/06/2002 9:10:19 PM PDT by Looking for Diogenes
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To: Looking for Diogenes
Fact: Thomas Jefferson was president of the DC school system during time in question.

Fact: DC school system used Bible and Isaac Watt's hymnal as their primary reading texts during this time.

Fact: The president of the school system had final say concerning texts used in public schools.

Fact: The above facts are history.

What do you think?
80 posted on 09/06/2002 10:41:28 PM PDT by hoosierskypilot
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