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Police call for blade crusade (Scotland)
BBC ^ | 9-5-02

Posted on 09/05/2002 7:09:30 AM PDT by SJackson


Ministers argue that a crackdown is working

An increase in knife crime has led to calls from police chiefs for society to do more to combat the problem. The Association of Chief Police Officers in Scotland (Acpos) said the message about the danger of carrying knives must be driven home, especially to young men.

That call was echoed by Victim Support Scotland which said knife attacks had a terrible effect on the victims.

The Scottish National Party said it wanted to see new measures to tackle Scotland's knife culture but the Scottish Executive has argued that the latest statistics show that a police crackdown is working.

The latest figures for knife crime and the use of offensive weapons were published in the Scottish Parliament following questions by the SNP.

They show that convictions for carrying an offensive weapon rose from 227 in 1996 to 1,137 in 2000.

Convictions up

The number of people convicted of having a weapon with a blade or point in a public place leapt from 317 to 1,101.

Strathclyde Police Assistant Chief Constable Graeme Pearson, speaking for Acpos, said: "What we need to do is, in the years to come, make it as unacceptable for someone to carry a knife as it is now unacceptable to drink and drive.

"Someone who walks the street with a knife should be seen as someone beyond the pale."

David McKenna, from Victim Support Scotland, said: "We've seen increasing levels of violence over the last five to 10 years and indeed that has often been associated with youth crime and carrying weapons like knives and blades.

"The sad thing is it's young people committing crime against young people.

"Violence is on the increase, the police are doing a lot about it but we still need to do a lot more."

Claims rejected

SNP leader John Swinney said that the figures were clear evidence of an unprecedented upsurge in Scotland's knife culture.

He said new ways of tackling the problem - including stiffer sentences - must be explored.

However, Justice Minister Jim Wallace said the SNP claims were false.

He said the increases in convictions were actually proof of an enormously successful crackdown on knife crime by the police and Scotland's legal system.

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1 posted on 09/05/2002 7:09:30 AM PDT by SJackson
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So many soon to be eating with their fingers.
2 posted on 09/05/2002 7:10:01 AM PDT by SJackson
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gotta love slippery slopes, eh? First they let them take their guns, now knives. Pretty soon trees will be illegal, 'cause you can cut off a branch and make a shelliagh out of it.
3 posted on 09/05/2002 7:13:51 AM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: Cacique; rmlew; firebrand; Dutchy; StarFan; Coleus; RaceBannon; nutmeg
I'm ashamed of my Scottish heritage! What a bunch of weenies!
4 posted on 09/05/2002 7:18:46 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: WindMinstrel
You beat me to it. I was wondering what the lefties might feel more strongly about - cutting down all the trees or allowing such a ready made arsenal to remain. I guess they'll have to cut them all down, since it's for the children.
5 posted on 09/05/2002 7:21:49 AM PDT by Dakmar
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To: SJackson
said the message about the danger of carrying knives must be driven home

Uh, the danger is not "carrying a knife" it's the other guy carrying a knife. If you carried one, as a responsible person, you'd be safer.

6 posted on 09/05/2002 7:25:57 AM PDT by LouD
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That call was echoed by Victim Support Scotland which said knife attacks had a terrible effect on the victims.

Well, duh.

7 posted on 09/05/2002 7:26:26 AM PDT by lowbridge
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To: Black Agnes
Yeah, mine too. When did the Scotts stop having balls? Was it when the Brits said they couldn't wear kilts into battle anymore?
8 posted on 09/05/2002 7:26:58 AM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: WindMinstrel
Maybe all the good Scots got killed or exported to America...only the cowards/weaklings got left behind.
9 posted on 09/05/2002 7:28:44 AM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: SJackson
Strathclyde Police Assistant Chief Constable Graeme Pearson, speaking for Acpos, said: "What we need to do is, in the years to come, make it as unacceptable for someone to carry a knife as it is now unacceptable to drink and drive.

"Someone who walks the street with a knife should be seen as someone beyond the pale."

Maybe all men should have their fists amputated, just to be on the safe side.

10 posted on 09/05/2002 7:29:24 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: SJackson; harpseal; Travis McGee; Squantos; sneakypete; Chapita; COB1
Will they return to blunting the point of knives, as the Royal Navy used to do.

BP/Arco has banned pocket knives on their drilling locations after a "manuel labor" rig hand stabbed another. You now have to use a hacksaw blade to cut rope.
11 posted on 09/05/2002 7:30:18 AM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: WindMinstrel
Next they will outlaw martial art training and put boxing under strict government control - one country (USSR)already tried all of it - did not help much.
12 posted on 09/05/2002 7:30:41 AM PDT by alex
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To: SJackson
An affront to cutlers.
13 posted on 09/05/2002 7:31:23 AM PDT by Consort
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Too bad Scottish citizens can't own guns so they could shoot the knife wielding criminals...
14 posted on 09/05/2002 7:34:30 AM PDT by 2banana
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To: alex
(USSR)already tried

I talked to a lady from the Ukraine not too long ago. She said that when they tried this, they outlawed 'certain' martial arts, but not others, to the commoners.
The more effective arts, that might be used offensively (karate, taekwondo, etc) were only allowed to military or government personel. Judo was about the only martial art allowed to the commoners.

15 posted on 09/05/2002 7:35:22 AM PDT by MrB
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Well, if the problem is really reducing the number of knife attacks, there is an easy solution! Simply allow and encourage everyone to own and carry an automatic pistol. Any attacker would resist using his knife if he knew he was likely to get his haggis blown off. But, ah, yes, I do see the problem. An armed, self-confident populace is much tougher for an ultra-left wing, crypto-Stalinist bunch of bureaucrats and politicians to control.
16 posted on 09/05/2002 7:36:58 AM PDT by Tacis
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17 posted on 09/05/2002 7:38:47 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Black Agnes
No, No, just history repeating itself. The English made it illegal to carry weaponry if you weren't a nobleman a long time ago, but that idiocy was eventually squelched. Seems they want a go at it again...
18 posted on 09/05/2002 7:39:56 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion
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To: SJackson

From our cold dead hands.

19 posted on 09/05/2002 7:48:54 AM PDT by lowbridge
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We must address the 'root causes' in regards to knives:


20 posted on 09/05/2002 7:50:04 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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