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Victory by Talent could give GOP control of Senate in lame-duck session
The Kansas City Star ^ | Thursday, September 5, 2002 | DAVID GOLDSTEIN

Posted on 09/05/2002 5:11:24 AM PDT by TroutStalker

Republicans hope they will take back the Senate in January. But under one far-fetched scenario involving the U.S. Senate race in Missouri, they could be back in control soon after the November election.

Here's how that could happen:

The first thing to understand is that the Missouri race is a special election. Sen. Jean Carnahan was appointed to the seat two years ago after the death of her husband and she was to serve only until the next election.

The next key point -- one that has political operatives in Missouri and Washington buzzing -- is that under Missouri law, the winner of a special election can be certified to take office almost immediately. He or she does not have to wait until January when the rest of the senators are sworn in.

Now it gets a little more complicated.

Congress, eager to hit the campaign trail for the November election, is set to adjourn Oct. 4. But unfinished business is clogging the docket, especially in the Senate. It might have to reconvene after the election to take up prescription drugs, the budget, the homeland security bill and Iraq.

If the Senate does reconvene in a lame-duck session, and GOP candidate Jim Talent wins Carnahan's seat, the Democrats would lose their one-seat edge to the Republicans. If independent Sen. James Jeffords of Vermont continues to vote with Democrats, the Senate would be split 50-50. The result: Because Vice President Dick Cheney breaks tie votes, the GOP would be in control -- at least until January when the rest of the winners are seated and the balance of power could shift again.

The Talent scenario, if it happens, would be a political plus for President Bush. Having his party control the Senate, even if only for a few weeks at the end of the year, gives him more clout to push his agenda.

"A bank shot," is how Matthew Dowd, Bush's pollster, described the mountain of political what-ifs.

"Phenomenal complications," said Republican Sen. Larry Craig of Idaho, chairman of the GOP Policy Committee.

But there is still another possible political wrinkle, "kind of a gray area," according to Trent Summers, an election specialist for the Missouri secretary of state.

Summers says that the secretary of state and the governor have to certify the victor in a special election.

In this case, the secretary of state is Matt Blunt, a Republican, and son of Rep. Roy Blunt of Missouri, a top official in the GOP House leadership. The governor is Bob Holden, a Democrat who -- as it happens -- narrowly defeated Talent for governor two years ago.

Blunt most likely would quickly certify Talent's victory, but would Holden? Could he hold up his certification, giving the Democrats more time to control the Senate?

"That's the gray area," Summers said.

Holden spokesman Mary Still said the governor's office had not done any legal research on the issue and could not comment.

Talent spokesman Rich Chrismer said the campaign had not thought about it, but intended to win in any case. Carnahan spokesman Tony Wyche said pretty much the same thing.

In Washington, one Republican political operative would not discuss the scenario, but a GOP congressional aide said it was being talked about.

Most agreed with Jim Jordan, political director of the Democratic Senatorial Committee, who called the scenario "arcane" and said the Missouri race did not need any more drama.

"I don't think the stakes of the election could get much higher," he said.

To reach David Goldstein, Washington correspondent, call (202) 383-6105, or send e-mail to dgoldstein@krwashington.com.


TOPICS: Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: carnahan; senate; talent
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To: Sister Rose
From what I understand, since the Widder is an appointed Senator, her term expires on election day within 2 years of her appointment. There probably is a statutory requirement where the Governor has to certify. Anybody know what that is? If Talent wins, expect him to go to the last minute, given the current composition of the Senate.
41 posted on 09/05/2002 11:23:46 AM PDT by Credo
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To: TroutStalker
This thread lost steam? Bump thru the night...
42 posted on 09/05/2002 5:25:20 PM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather
bumptybump!
43 posted on 09/05/2002 5:50:09 PM PDT by cookcounty
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To: Credo
Yes, the key question is "What has happened in the Senate in the past when an appointed Senator lost their bid for (re)election?"

Surely there are a number of precedents out there. C'mon you poli sci freaks, dig it up!!!

44 posted on 09/05/2002 5:56:05 PM PDT by cookcounty
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To: CPT Clay
After observing the DemLawyers in 2000, All I can say is, you can be sure there is a platoon of Dem lawyers prepping this thing in painstaking detail right now.
45 posted on 09/05/2002 6:05:03 PM PDT by cookcounty
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46 posted on 09/05/2002 6:05:52 PM PDT by Bob J
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To: Non-Sequitur
From the XVIIth Amendment:

"When vacancies happen in the representation of any state in the Senate, the executive authority of such state shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, that the legislature of any state may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct".

Jean Carnahan was a "temporary appointment" and so her appointment should expire the moment "the people fill the vacances by election". At least, that's my reading.

47 posted on 09/05/2002 6:15:29 PM PDT by be131
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To: be131; Sister Rose
I lived in Californiastan when Pete Wilson was elected Governor and appointed his lackey Seymour to fill his senate seat. Di Fi thumped Seymour in the 92 Special Election. Boxer was elected in a regular election. Di Fi was sworn in soon after the election as Seymour was only appointed to a vacancy.

States have their own way of filling US Senate vacancies. Generally the Governor appoints someone to temporarily fill the seat until a special election is called usually conciding with the congressional elections. I think Texas does it a little differently in that they don't wait for the next congressional election, as that's how Kay Bailey Hutchinson initially got in - She replaced Lord Bentsen.

I guess what is important here is what the Missouri constitution and statutes say pertaining to filling vacant US Senate seats. This is actually a special election between the Widder and Talent. Anybody here that can take a crack at what MO law actually says?

48 posted on 09/05/2002 6:47:09 PM PDT by Credo
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To: gridlock
Lott does not understand foot-on-the-neck. The Demoncrats are like dogs, at least in this regard. They will not respect the Republicans until the Republicans learn how to whack 'em on the nose with a rolled up newspaper from time to time.

The very first thing that must be done after Talent wins and is installed is to have a vigorous fight in the Republican party and put a real conservative in as majority leader and DUMP LOT!

49 posted on 09/05/2002 7:32:55 PM PDT by rundy
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To: TroutStalker
It's awfully early to be making this kind of speculation. You people in Missouri, get out and vote! Don't let the Democrats steal another election from you.
50 posted on 09/05/2002 8:58:28 PM PDT by altair
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To: TroutStalker
one question... does the widder Carnahan still get the sympathy vote?
51 posted on 09/05/2002 11:21:23 PM PDT by Dialup Llama
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To: TroutStalker
The Talent scenario, if it happens, would be a political plus for President Bush. Having his party control the Senate, even if only for a few weeks at the end of the year, gives him more clout to push his agenda.

In such a scenario, Bush would be able to establish his legacy by passing amnesty for illegal aliens.

I expect amnesty to pass in the lame duck session no matter the political makeup of the Senate.

52 posted on 09/05/2002 11:31:55 PM PDT by Nephi
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To: JohnHuang2; Howlin; Miss Marple
FYI

The "Talent" here is GOP candidate Jim Talent.
53 posted on 09/05/2002 11:53:52 PM PDT by GretchenEE
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To: demsux
Missouri's election frauds are not as well known as the "machine" in Chicago, but are just as effective.

Ah yes, those famous black precincts in St. Louis, where they supposedly had 99% voter turnout in 2000. It will be hard to fight such blatant crookedness.

-ccm

54 posted on 09/06/2002 2:28:38 AM PDT by ccmay
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To: Coop
Guess the grass on the other side of the fence doesn't look quite so green now (kind of ironic, given the amount of manure over there).

Fabulous line!

55 posted on 09/06/2002 2:38:48 AM PDT by Aeronaut
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To: GretchenEE
Thanks for the ping, friend.
56 posted on 09/06/2002 2:49:12 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Good morning John.
57 posted on 09/06/2002 3:05:14 AM PDT by TroutStalker
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To: TroutStalker
Good morning, friend.
58 posted on 09/06/2002 3:09:07 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: Aeronaut
Fabulous line!

Thanks. :-) Even a blind squirrel finds an occasional acorn.

59 posted on 09/06/2002 5:21:46 AM PDT by Coop
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Rush bump.
60 posted on 09/06/2002 11:40:12 AM PDT by TroutStalker
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