FORMER LIBERAL FReepers...I have a theory.

bigjoesaddle

[bigjoesaddle]

I am a former Liberal that voted for Clinton the first time (head droopong in shame), and I wonder how many other people like me there are out there.

Also, I have a theory to discuss. I have NEVER met a person who grew up a Conservative, then switched to the Democrat Party AFTER COLLEGE! Many switch during college, because of the rebellion aspect of going against their "Dads politics", etc, but after entering the real world, a person NEVER switches to Liberal. The theory basicly is that many Liberals, no matter how old they are, are STILL rebelling, and basicly can't see that their ways never succeed.

There is also the belief that "I am a good person, and all I want to do is good for the world and the people in the world, THEREFORE EVERYTHING I BELIEVE IS RIGHT, BECAUSE IT IS BASSED ON "GOODNESS". They don't realise that, just because you are "good", doesn't mean you're "right".

[jjm2111]

LOL!

We need people who dress different. Once in a while I'll dress different too (I'm no goth, I do it for the attention). I can't stand the mindless rows of GAPBANANAREPUBLICOLDNAVYABERCROMBIEAMERICANEAGLE Drones you see walking around.

[jjm2111]

I've always been a conservative (Dole, Bush 2) but now I have a few libertarian leanings.

[jjm2111]

Ahh, but they're the new in thing for many trendy NYC below 14th street types; straight or otherwise.

[Tribune7]

You know, I was a Dem in college and I don't think my beliefs and values have changed all that much.

On the other hand, my awareness has increased. I have come to conclude that the Democratic Party is a corrupt, vile, evil organization which must be stopped.

While I often get annoyed at the GOP, I don't see any comparision between it and the corporate sickness that calls itself the Democratic Party.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Once in a while I'll dress different too (I'm no goth, I do it for the attention).

So do Goths, of course (do it for the attention).

Goths are nothing if not pretentious.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

they're the new in thing

New?

Well, I guess Travolta has made a rebound, so....

[CyberCowboy777]

Wranglers and a White t-shirt here, except at work (Tie and Slacks kind of job)

Yea, I am a throwback. Wish I could have voted Goldwater.
Voted Dole, Bush II.

[jjm2111]

Goths are nothing if not pretentious.

True, at least they don't conform (though conformity isn't always a bad thing)

Did you ever see the SNL sketch where the kid is all decked out in his Goth outfit with his friends in his basement which would be dark except for candles and glowing satanic symbols incanting for some demon to smite the school principle or whatever.

The "kid" would get halfway through his spell that went something along the lines of "Dark lord of vengeance, I call upon you to...."

and his mom would interrupt (off screen) with "Kevin, I told you to clean your room and take out the trash, I don't want to tell you again."

The kid would whine "but Moommmmm, I said I would do it." and then return to his spell. The mother would interrupt again, etc. etc.

[dogbyte12]

I was a liberal democrat before... Now I am a raging moderate independent. I hate labels though. One of the absurdities of this country is that two major parties can encompass the broad spectrum of people's beliefs. Right now, I would be more republican than democrat, but I pick and choose, depending on issues and candidates.

I guess where I differ from some here, is that I haven't taken the leap to the paleo side of conservatism. I like Jack Kemp. I dislike Jesse Helms. I like Ronald Reagan, I dislike Phil Gramn. I think it is more temperment than philosophy. I am attracted to the sunny side. I am a white man, but I ain't angry. I have a great wife, great job, wonderful church, and a nice home. Life is pretty darn good, and I would like it to stay that way. My 401k is in the tank, but on the balance, I would rather have a positive growth type candidate, like George W for example, than somebody weaned on a pickle.

[lavaroise]

There is a brand of voter, the majority, who are apolitical for the most part, they just listen to what the guy says and they vote that way. These people unfortunately democrats like to target. Ever wonder why dems are so negative and hateful and point to their greatness and the weakness of oponents? Look no further than to target these people. So many conservative looking people have voted for Clinton the first time after Bush got on their nerves by saying the economy was good while people were being laid off. Then they voted again for Clinton because of the economy. In Nazi Germany it was the Jews stupid, in America it is the economy stupid, though all of us know it is terror, nukes, communists and 911 stupid.

My heart is essentialy to the right and conservatives since at the basis I know the sinfulness of all ideas of man, but often my mind is liberal. This is because the mind is naturaly curious of any new thing, new idea, new fad and new progressist way. Liberals are terribly mindful and remindful of everything. They are neurotic, greedy and phobic, yes those using the homophobe label are themselves phobic about any deviation from this line of thinking. They are truly bipolar frightened creatures married to strange gods obliging them to take so many risks and ridiculing themselves. They have not seen yet the light, that between elation of drugs and paranoid let down and relapse, there is this God telling them they need not worship this nonsense.

What is frightening in the end is how liberals push people to marry opinions and the opinion makers as a result. The CEDAW at the UN is just such an example of a group urging unappologeticaly and proselytising permanent unconditional unappologetic divorce from the "old" ways (another racist term against conservatives), yet demands that these people marry and bear the yoke of the unappealable CEDAW and UN.

Is the road to hell paved with good intentions? Well, one might say that indeed since the will to risk comes from an impetus to gain, and often, gaining most, this greed for good intentions is verily leading quickly to hell.

[Stultis]

My family is predominantly Republican (Mom nearly divorced Dad when he voted for LBJ over Goldwater) but I was never really a true believer until Reagan.

I very nearly voted for Carter over Reagan, believe it or not. I excuse it on my youth (it was my first election) but as my father owned a small construction business I should have been more cognizent than I was of the debiltating effects of Carter era policies -- double digit inflation/interest rates/unemployment, "malaise," the general attitudes of capitulation and helplessness -- than I was.

It always floors liberals when I tell them the following, but it is the absolute truth. I became a partisan Republican because of a deep concern about global poverty (which I still have). It was the incredible advances in poverty reduction of the Reagan/Thatcher era that got my attention. I actually started to listen to Reagan, read about the economic and political philosophies that he and Thatcher were advancing, and began to understand the basis for their policies and why they worked.

[jjm2111]

Me too. I was interested in politics even as a little kid, and wished I could have voted for Reagan.

I wear business casual to work, (which I love since my last two jobs were suit-and-tie). I'd think I'd rather wear a goth outfit than a suit-and-tie every day.

When I go out I usually wear jeans and a T-shirt. (NOT wranglers, though). I hate nut-huggers.

[jjm2111]

Hey, I don't choose what the fashion mavens tell us to wear. It's amazing how the fashion mags put out new stuff to wear, and unless it's really silly most "beautiful people" blindingly go out and buy the "in" thing.

This may be TOTALLY wrong since it's hearsay, but someone told me once, that whatever is in fashion for gay people is in fashion for straight people 10 years later. The person who told me this said that in the seventies a black leather jacket and jeans was a gay uniform (I was an infant so I wouldn't know), and now it seems it's just THE uniform for both men and women in NYC.

[techcor]

Voted for Mondale in '84. Between then and the next election I saw:

1. Chief Justice Rose Byrd try to let a child molestor/murder get a new trial because the jury had thought him so sick they gave him the death penalty.
2. Dukakis say that he would welcome his wifes theoretical rapist/murder back into society after 7 years.
3.The Dems tried to pass "racialism" which was where black kids could only be adopted by black parents. This so reminded me of miscongeneation laws of the Nazis I vowed not to vote Dems (but I still didn't vote Republican).
4. On Rush's TV show I saw 2 video clips that froze my blood. One was Clinton at Ron Brown's funeral and one was Clinton cursing a minor aide out at his first Easter at the White House. What froze my blood is that it was only shown on Rush's show. No news show touched it. I knew the news media was biased. I just didn't realize how bad until then. I started voting Republican after that.

Rush is the only one that can rid us of the Clintons. He should write a book (Called "It will be known as "Scam-a-lot"). If he includes all the video clips he has of those crooks, it might convince enough people of how evil liberals are and how biased the media is. I hope somehow this post gets to Rush.

[lavaroise]

I might add that liberals are often motivating indirectly people to G_d. The reason is that we could become selfish self-sutaining creatures ignoring G_d or any god, theoreticaly, but by pushing us to do the wrong, away from G_d, to marry the intolerable and unreformable, they are creating the seeds of rebelion against that very goal. Where there was no energy for G_d, liberals created energy and motive for evil, and this momentum will be kept and shifted away to G_d ultimately, a momentum that would have never built up in the beginning on its own had they left us alone.

The runaway train wreck of evil and progressist liberalism is pushing full steam ahead, but many people are jumping off of it, leaving the ignorant stupid morons to their own sh!t and destruction. The devil was wrong indeed, getting into a beauty contest with G_d was sure to fail from the beginning. It is no matter of democracy, for democracy is another god of evil, but a matter of confinement vs freedom, definition vs. jurisdiction, yoke of slavery vs. appologetic liberty of consumption.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Yeah, I've seen "Goth Talk", natch.

The confluence of Wiccan/Occultic themes and Goth is one of those curious, ad-hoc cultural admixtures that sometimes has all the aesthetic synchronicity of a train wreck. You end up with such grating annoyances as Marilyn Manson being labelled "Goth". Ewwwwww...... How gauche.

Marilyn Manson Now Going Door-To-Door Trying To Shock People

[CyberCowboy777]

As a Navy Brat and coming from a Conservative Family I had a head start in wise thinking!

As a early teen I worked for my Grandfather on his Rental properties, he always had Rush on in the Truck (early '90s). Early Rush in my Grandfathers truck and suggested reading from my parents brought me to my own understanding and choice to live as a Constitutional Conservative.

I do own a Black tee, it has a quote on it: "Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." - Barry Goldwater

next one will be: "Government is not the solution to our problem. Government is the problem." Ronald Reagan



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[jjm2111]

That is one of the funniest things I've read in a long time. Ha Ha Ha Manson is such a loser.

[agrace]

As a starry-eyed 24 year old I voted for Clinton in 92. Didn't know any better. Four years later I set out to vote for him again and my NY DMV voting registration never went through, so I didn't get to vote. Didn't push it either, although I now know I could have. A year later, I was DELIGHTED that the DMV voting reg program sucked so bad! :)

Just turned 34 and am more conservative every year, much to the delight of my dad.

I think you may have a point - I don't know anyone who has gone from conservative to liberal. However, I do know liberals who have become even MORE liberal but that could just be my ever-changing perspective.