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Are Dr. Judith Reisman's claims about homosexuals and pedophilia phony?
Springfield(MO) News-Leader ^ | 08/25/02 - 08/30/02 | Haven Howard - Lisa Tinker

Posted on 08/30/2002 3:58:34 AM PDT by JCG

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:30:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The recent decision of Big Brothers-Big Sisters of America making it mandatory for local chapters to accept homosexual volunteers makes no sense to any thinking adult or concerned parent. I am also very disturbed the Springfield News-Leader is endorsing this decision.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bigbrothers; bigsisters; cameron; gays; homosexualagenda; homosexuals; pedophiles; reisman; sasu
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To: JCG
Below is a link to an mp3 audio file that illustrates the reality (in my opinion) of the homosexual agenda of recruitment. I know this does not directly apply to the original article but it's indirectly relevant.
 
Also there have been some who have claimed this tape is something some homosexuals do not want you to hear.....well if that's true then that is all the more reason to listen to it if you can stomach this perverted trash.
 
HERE IS THE FISTGATE TAPE IN MP3 FORMAT. Feel free to download it, pass it on to anyone you want and post it on your website if you have one.
 
WARNING!!! This file contains subject matter not intended for children. Download it ONLY IF YOU ARE 18 or older
 
http://207.211.212.38/webboss/fistgate.mp3
 
Hard to believe these sorts of workshops have made their way into public schools.
 
webboss
 

 

101 posted on 08/31/2002 4:14:29 PM PDT by webboss
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To: havewelostamerica?
According to former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop, (appointed by Reagan) Paul Cameron advocated as early as 1983 for the extermination of gay men. In an interview with Penthouse Forum magazine he lobbied for the forcible tattooing and quarantine of people with AIDS, then said, "It probably would be a lot cheaper to just exterminate male homosexuals." (See Mark E. Pietrzyk, "Paul Cameron, professional sham," The New Republic, October 3, 1994.)

Revisiting the New Republic's attack on Paul Cameron(from the link):

<<<<*Pietrzyk claims that Cameron advocated the "extermination of male homosexuals."

Response: The Forum interviewer remarked that many societies have considered homosexuality a capital crime. Noting that it would be cheaper to kill homosexuals in primitive societies than jail or quarantine them is hardly an endorsement. In fact, Cameron is quoted in the same article as saying that such an idea is "not politically, ethically or socially acceptable" today. Where former Surgeon General Koop got his information is mystifying. He never asked Dr. Cameron whether he advocated such a policy.>>>

As for Dr. Cameron losing a court case, he has done better since then. He and his son took the side that the Massachusetts Sodomy laws should stay, while various groups said that they should thrown out. The Massachusetts Sodomy laws were not thrown out (they were modified).

According to Dr. Cameron, Dr. Koop has misconceptions about the psychologist.

Incidentally, much play is made that Dr. Cameron is allegedly a gay basher; however, the author of this New Republic article (under its then homosexual editor, Andrew Sullivan) is a member of the Log Cabin Republicans. This group was not identified as the homosexual wing of the Republican party so the Pietrzyk's own bias is not apparent to the New Republic audience.

I gave this rebuttal link at the beginning of my posts here, but here it is again.

102 posted on 08/31/2002 5:06:52 PM PDT by UbIwerks
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To: Skooz
"Someone ran a Nexus search of the two stories just before Jesse's killers went to trial. I wish I could remember the numbers, but it was stunning. They found thousands of articles on the Shepherd murder, only a dozen or so on the Jesse Dirkhising torture/murder."

The disparity became so obvious that the ombudsperson for the Washington Post was called upon to write a column explaining why they never reported the Dirkhising case.

Her explanation, in sum: it was a local (Arkansas) issue and they saw no reason for their audience (nationwide, Washington metro and international) to be concerned with the story.

I sent her an e-mail -- a very courteous and restrained e-mail -- challenging her logic.

Astoundingly, I got a response. She accused me of being a "right-wing extremist", a "homophobe" and an "admirer of David Duke"...

That's what you want from an ombudsperson, I guess. Even-handedness...

103 posted on 08/31/2002 5:29:56 PM PDT by okie01
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To: JoshGray
In conclusion, "homosexual acts" do not equal "admitted being exclusively homosexual" by any stretch of the imagination.

But what difference does that make in the case of John Wayne Gacy? You can spin it any way you want to -- bisexual, not exclusively homosexual, etc. -- but his 33 murder-rapes of only males show clearly that he was a homosexual serial killer.

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104 posted on 08/31/2002 5:43:39 PM PDT by JCG
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To: webboss
Thank you for posting the fistgate tape. The wife and I took the 45 minutes to listen to it today.

For those of you that haven't heard the tape, you can always pause the tape if you don't have a block of 45 minutes. It's definitely something you don't want your kids to hear.

105 posted on 08/31/2002 7:01:34 PM PDT by scripter
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To: havewelostamerica?
So be it. The facts speak for themselves.

Facts? Liberal judges following liberal dogma? That's why the perversion lobby tries to go through the courts rather than the election process, the left depends on the courts to legislate from the bench.

I'm also supposed to believe a homosexual who doesn't identify himself as such in his screed against Dr. Cameron? Even Rev. Phelps doesn't call for the killing of homosexuals. I'm supposed to believe this Pietrzyk on this? I don't!

107 posted on 08/31/2002 7:08:47 PM PDT by UbIwerks
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To: havewelostamerica?
Oh wonderful. I'm dealing with a "Reverend" Phelps godhatesfags apologist. Notice you can't seem to refute your man is a lying perjurer. Nice company you keep.

No I am not a fan or an apologist for Rev. Phelps, but this is the way the left and the perversion lobby smear their opposition.

Maybe next you'll smear me as calling for the death of homosexuals.

p.s. As Dr. Cameron has done well in another case recently, you leftists cannot rely on the courts to push through your smelly, pro perversion agenda. It's an uphill battle with the courts, but progress is being made.

110 posted on 08/31/2002 7:40:58 PM PDT by UbIwerks
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To: havewelostamerica?
"Do you honestly believe those pieces of human excrement killed Jesse because he was straight? Seriously, that is part of the difference, isn't it?"

I'm afraid I don't see what you're driving at?

Are you perhaps saying that murder isn't murder if you're killed because of your sexual persuasion.

111 posted on 08/31/2002 8:28:25 PM PDT by okie01
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To: JCG
The difference is that a comparison has been made between people who identify as homosexual and people who commit homosexual acts.

For the purposes of this discussion, Gacy was a same-sex serial killer. He was NOT a "homosexual serial-killer" if that would place him in the same group as people who identify themselves as "homosexual"; he did NOT identify himself as homosexual.

1-4% of the male population identifies themselves as homosexual -- that does not include the Gacys, the Roy Cohns, the Liberaces. How many of them are there? What criteria do we use to look at the person's behavior and decide that person is or was homosexual? A single homosexual act? 5 acts? 10? A length of time? Homosexual activists took Kinsey's data and decided that being "more or less homosexual for at least three years between ages 16 and 55" defines a "homosexual" -- do we use their 10%? A single act would place it at 37%, while being exclusively homosexual during that time would place it at 4%. Shere Hite placed the number of single-act committers up in the 40% range. A specific act -- Hite says 12% of us have had a penis or penis-sized object in our rectums for sexual purposes. Do we say 12%?

Gace raped and murdered 33 males, some while married to his second wife. He molested who knows how many while married to his first wife. How many men have had 33 homosexual experiences while married. We can't even begin to guess at the number for a statistic of "homosexual but you wouldn't know it to look at them".

Sexuality is not cut-n-dried and without some sort of criteria and firm definitions, any comparison of numbers is bound to be invalid.

112 posted on 09/01/2002 12:27:45 AM PDT by JoshGray
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To: okie01
I'm afraid I don't see what you're driving at? Are you perhaps saying that murder isn't murder if you're killed because of your sexual persuasion.

I think he's saying that the Dirkhising case should not be reported on in contrast to the Shepard robbery and murder. That Dirkhising is not an adult as Sheppard was does not matter to the perverts. They need these pederastic assaults/killings covered up so they can get their kicks molesting children as this article I found using The Accuracy in Media search engine (under Jesse Dirkhising) explains.

Queer News Judgement

<<<<<< The Washington Post employs an ombudsman whose job is to defend or criticize what the paper prints or doesn't print when it comes under attack. The current ombudsman, E. R. Shipp, has herself become the target of criticism for her Nov. 14th column in which she defended a queer news judgment by the Post's editors.

The paper had carried one tiny story about the brutal murder of a 13-year-old boy named Jesse Dirkhising in Arkansas by two homosexuals. They were Joshua Brown, 22, and his lover, Davis Don Carpenter, 38. The boy died on September 26, after having been drugged by Carpenter and repeatedly raped and sodomized by Brown. Jesse had been placed face-down on a mattress on the floor. His legs had been bound with belts and tape. Pillows had been placed under his abdomen, and his arms had been taped to the corners of the mattress. His briefs had been stuffed in his mouth, secured by duct tape. His undershirt had been put over his head. He died of asphyxiation while Brown and Carpenter were out of the room.

Brown and Carpenter have each been charged with six counts of rape and one of capital murder. The prosecutor in the case said that what he saw in their apartment was "perhaps the most horrific thing he had witnessed in his eleven years as a prosecutor." This was not a hate crime. It was a horrible sex crime. Two perverts tortured 13-year-old Jesse Dirkhising for their sexual gratification.

This was first reported nationally by The Washington Times on October 22, nearly a month after the boy's death. The story by Joyce Price focused on the failure of the national media to report the story. She reported that Jesse's parents thought the boy, who had been spending weekends with the two men, was being paid to help out a beauty parlor managed by Carpenter. Brown told police that he had sneaked up on the boy, bound, gagged and blindfolded him and then repeatedly sodomized him while Carpenter watched and masturbated. He claimed that he had played sex games with Jesse before, but this was the first time he had sodomized him. In addition to raping him he had forced various objects into his rectum.

Front-page News In Arkansas

The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette had run seven stories about this crime, three of them on the front page. It reported that investigators had found notes Carpenter had written telling Brown how to "bind, sedate and position a child." The police also found writings that described "the torture and sodomy of what appear to be other children." They didn't know whether these were actual crimes or whether the men were fantasizing. They had only recently moved to Arkansas. Carpenter claimed he had lived in 26 states. This suggests that in 25 other states there may be boys he had tortured.

Robert K. Ressler, who has written books on sexual murders, points out that behavior like Carpenter's does not begin at age 38.

The Associated Press had produced seven brief stories about the Dirkhising murder, but none had been distributed nationally. The AP didn't put the story on its national wire until Oct. 29. That was a week after the story appeared in The Washington Times and four days after a reporter asked White House spokesman Joe Lockhart about the president's reaction to the murder of Jesse Dirkhising by two homosexuals, noting that Clinton had "spoken out commendably about the murder of adult homosexual Matt Shepard in Wyoming." Lockhart said he didn't know if the president was aware of the Dirkhising case. Pointing out that it had been on the front page of The Washington Times, the reporter asked, "Don't you read that paper, Joe?" Not normally, Joe responded, and he didn't think Clinton did either.

On October 30, The Washington Post ran a 59-word news brief about the murder based on the AP's 500-word story. It was not in the edition that is distributed in the greater Washington, D.C. area, where most of its readers live. The Post had run over 80 stories about Matthew Shepard, a homosexual college student who was murdered in Wyoming last year. The contrast between that and the Dirkhising murder gave rise to charges that the Post had suppressed the Dirkhising story because it cast homosexuals in a negative light.

Ombudsman Shipp rose to the Post's defense, saying in her column that its policy is not to cover murders outside the Washington area unless "it's a case of mass murder, has caused a large local sensation or raised a larger social issue." The Shepard murder was a hate crime. Such crimes should be discouraged. It probably helps to have the media report and condemn them.

The media should also discourage sadistic assaults on young boys by homosexual men by publicizing and condemning them. Moreover, Carpenter may have tortured and perhaps even killed children in other states. His name and what he is accused of doing in Arkansas should be made known nationwide. The editors of The Washington Post know that this was a horrible crime. No one in the establishment media has given a credible explanation for their failure to report it promptly.

Booklets were recently mailed to every school district in the country urging that children be taught that homosexuality is normal. Our establishment media endorse that. They are reluctant to report anything that exposes the abnormal side of the lifestyle, such as the public celebration of sado-masochism at San Francisco's recent "gay pride" day. They rarely mention the North American Man-Boy Love Association, which defends the sexual abuse of boys by men. Reporting the gruesome details of Jesse Dirkhising's murder would expose the dark side of a lifestyle that journalists in the establishment media promote and that some of them practice.

AIM Report NOTES FROM THE EDITOR'S CUFF

THIS REPORT COVERS TWO STORIES ABOUT THINGS THE MEDIA REFUSE TO TOUCH. ONE revolves around Bill O'Reilly's explanation of why he has not dealt with the Vince Foster case on his show, The O'Reilly Factor, on the Fox News Channel. Delivered in front of C-SPAN's cameras at our 30th anniversary conference, it was refreshingly candid. The other is about the media's neglect of the murder of 13-year-old Jesse Dirkhising in Arkansas by two homosexual adults. He died as a result of their brutal, sadistic treatment. It was a big story in Arkansas, making the front page of the state's largest paper, The Democrat-Gazette, on three days, but if it hadn't been for a front-page story in the Washington Times nearly a month later, we would probably never have heard of it. Since then it has been publicized mainly on talk radio and the Internet.

THE ESTABLISHMENT MEDIA ACTIVELY RECRUIT HOMOSEXUALS, AND THEY SUBSIDIZE conventions of the Gay-Lesbian Journalists Association. Pressure from homosexuals within and without influences how they cover homosexual stories. The murder of Matthew Shepard, a homosexual college student in Wyoming, was given tremendous coverage. The murder of Jesse Dirkhising by homosexuals has been virtually ignored. A Nexis search found only a half dozen news stories, nearly all in smaller cities, and a dozen editorials, opinion columns and letters. On Nov. 23, it was reported that a coalition was launching a campaign to get all public schools to teach children that homosexuality is normal. They were sending a 12-page "how-to-do-it" booklet to every school district in the country. The coalition includes the American Psychological Association, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the National Association of Social Workers, the National Education Association, the American Federation of Teachers, the American Association of School Administrators, the National Association of School Psychologists and the Interfaith Alliance Foundation. The pro-homosexual New York Times gave this story 21 column inches. (It has yet to mention the Dirkhising murder). Only a fifth of the story was devoted to comments critical of the project. An AP story had three comments supporting the project and one from a school superintendent who was critical. The Washington Times had a three-to-one line-up, but it was the other way-three critics of the project and one supporter.

THE BEST INFORMATION AVAILABLE INDICATES THAT ONLY TWO TO THREE PERCENT OF the adult population is homosexual. If most psychologists, pediatricians and educators think that is a high enough percentage to classify sodomy as normal, do they also believe that the sadistic sodomization of Jesse Dirkhising is normal behavior? Does that mean it should not be condemned? They may say that it is not normal because only a small percentage of homosexual men are sadists, but sado-masochism was being demonstrated in public at a homosexual festival in San Francisco the day Jesse Dirkhising was murdered. Gay bookstores are loaded with publications about sado-masochism. Probably far more than three percent of homosexuals practice it, enough to justify the claim that sado-masochism is normal homosexual behavior.

THE PRO-HOMOSEXUAL JOURNALISTS SEE NOTHING WRONG IN THE COVERAGE OF THE Shepard and Dirkhising murders. Here is the justification given by Time's Jonathan Gregg: "The reason the Dirkhising story received so little play is because it offered no lessons. Shepard's murder touches on a host of complex and timely issues: intolerance, society's attitudes toward gays and the pressure to conform, the use of violence as a means of confronting one's demons. Jesse Dirkhising's death gives us nothing except the depravity of two sick men. There is no lesson here, no moral of tolerance, no hope to be gleaned in the punishment of the per-petrators. To be somehow equated with these monsters would be a bitter legacy indeed for Matthew Shepard."

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT JOSH BROWN AND DAVIS CARPENTER, THE KILLERS OF Jesse Dirkhising, were looked upon as sick men and monsters by the homosexual community before the murder. They were just doing what Carpenter, the older man, had been doing for years and what many "normal" homosexuals apparently do, judging from their literature. They were getting sexual pleasure from causing him pain. The lesson to be learned from this is that what many homosexuals do in the privacy of their bedrooms is revolting and that many are driven to try more extreme perversions in search of thrills. For some it is urinating or defecating on their partners. For others it is inserting all manner of things, including their fists and small animals in another man's rectum. In Jesse's case, they used two cucumbers, a banana, a sausage and a douche bottle. Such practices are described in their literature and depicted in their art, like the celebrated Mapplethorpe photographs.

BROWN AND CARPENTER WERE NOT STIGMATIZED BY THE HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY for engaging in these practices with young boys. The North American Man-Boy Love Association, NAMBLA, wants to make it legal for adults to have sex with children. Some have argued that rough sex that results in death should not be treated as a crime. That may be the defense that Brown and Carpenter will use. Another lesson is that the lust for forbidden fruit produces monsters like Luis Alfredo Garavito. He is the Colombian who had been sought by police since 1997 when they discovered the bodies of 36 boys between the ages of 8 and 16, their throats slit and their bodies mutilated. Garavito was captured and imprisoned last April. At the end of October he confessed to having murdered 140 victims, all of them young and nearly all, if not all of them, boys. Nearly all the news reports avoided offending homosexuals by referring to the victims only as children, not mentioning their sex. BBC, however, reported that Colombia's chief prosecutor had said that "most of Garavito's victims were boys from poor families aged between 8 and 16." It is not clear whether the "most" applies to their sex, their families or their age. The L.A. Times slipped in the fact that the first 36 that were found were all boys and CNN reported that the chief prosecutor said that it appeared that Garavito had been abused as a child.>>>>>>>

113 posted on 09/01/2002 3:34:40 AM PDT by UbIwerks
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To: one_particular_harbour
I don't listen to GLSEN and GLAAD statistics. Life is too short to listen to the hysterical shrieks of groups like that.

Very commendable display of equipoise. However, you didn't answer my question. You are under no obligation, of course, to answer my question. You just didn't answer it, whether you would apply the same standards to those people that you appealed to in attacking someone on the other side.

114 posted on 09/01/2002 4:56:03 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: JoshGray
In conclusion, "homosexual acts" do not equal "admitted being exclusively homosexual" by any stretch of the imagination. Yes, Bryan looked up and found what he was looking for to suit an agenda, but the word-play, twisted definitions, and number-crunching doesn't stand up to any sort of objective examination.

So, Josh, what's your bottom line? Bryan and Reisner and Cameron and everyone else should just furl their banners and quit the field? That we should all just get used to it? That we should all make an effort to improve ourselves before pointing fingers, and commit ourselves to really giving ourselves a chance to rise above our heterosexist breeder narrowness? And discover what warm, wonderful people gays are, even when they're dating our kids and bringing them home with STD's?

What's the bottom line, Josh?

115 posted on 09/01/2002 5:04:20 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: JoshGray
The difference is that a comparison has been made between people who identify as homosexual and people who commit homosexual acts.

Total baloney. The first mention of Gacy was in a list of homosexual serial killers posted by Bryan (#14) -- there was no "comparison." You then attempted to get Gacy off the list by narrowing the definition of homosexual. It won't work, however, because bisexual is also homosexual. It makes no difference what Gacy "claimed," just as it made no difference what Rock Hudson, Roy Cohn or Liberace claimed. They were all homosexuals of one kind or another.

America's Fifth Column ... watch PBS documentary JIHAD! In America
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116 posted on 09/01/2002 6:24:42 AM PDT by JCG
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To: JCG
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