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PRAVDA SLAMS AMERICAN PRESS FOR DENYING ABORTION BREAST CANCER LINK
LIFESITE ^ | August 28, 2002

Posted on 08/29/2002 11:20:26 AM PDT by NYer

MOSCOW, August 28, 2002 (LSN.ca) - The Russian news agency PRAVDA online, a break-off online paper of the official (formerly communist) state-run paper, has criticized the American media for concealing the link between abortion and breast cancer. The publication carried a story by Carl Limbacher of NewsMax in which Limbacher makes the point that "thanks to intense pressure from the billion-dollar abortion industry (the ABC link) is a taboo subject for the liberal media establishment."


Citing numerous studies showing evidence for the link, the PRAVDA article warned, "Thousands of women could die because of the failure of the medical establishment and government to warn women of the link between abortion and breast cancer." RFMNEWS.com interviewed Karen Malec, spokesperson for the Coalition on Abortion/Breast Cancer, about Pravda's report. "Do American women have to read Pravda to learn the truth?," she asked.


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To: Askel5
I can imagine. Their population implosion will destabilize the whole area. The Islamics *will* fill in the void if/where they can...ditto the Chi-Coms. The Russians better lie back and think of Moscow and do the dirty deed as many times as they can. Else the women will be wearing big black hefty bags with matching headgear...(br>
21 posted on 08/29/2002 1:58:23 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: Bryan
Thanks for the heads up!
22 posted on 08/29/2002 2:02:30 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Bryan
It figures that Pravda would be as screwed up in this area as it is everywhere else. As the old Russian adage had it, "There is no news in Izvestia and no truth in Pravda."

I'll reiterate: There is no more added risk of breast cancer from having an abortion than from never having had a baby at all. If anything, the so-called increased risk is merely a statistical artifact caused by taking a group of women (those who have had an abortion) and moving them from the group of women with multiple births, earlier births, later onset of menses, earlier onset of menopause (lower rates of breast cancer) back toward the group of nulliparous women (with much higher rates of breast cancer). But even this is tenuous. The so-called increase in risk is an increase in the relative risk. Even the added risk results in a relative risk ratio that is indistinguisable from background. If you increase relative risk from 1 to 1.5 you've had an increase of 50% in that number, but that doesn't mean that you're 50% more likely to get whatever the relative risk ratio has been increased for, nor does it mean that 50% more people are now going to get whatever the malady happens to be. Unless the relative risk increases to beyond 3, you're not even getting out of background noise.

It's intellectually dishonest for people to be using this as a means to dissuade women from having an abortion because it's not true.
23 posted on 08/29/2002 2:13:57 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: LibertyGirl77
It's a case of our side doing what the left is famous for--skewing statistics to make our point. The real truth that there is actually a DECREASED risk of breast cancer that comes with childbirth.

Thank you. See my shortly previous post. It's too bad that some people are so eager for a result that they'll resort to propaganda and innumeracy as long as it gets them what they want. It will just burn them in the end.
24 posted on 08/29/2002 2:15:58 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: Black Agnes
An aside:

The first time I went to Russia, I went via train and travelled through the extensive Moscow Subway system. I accidentally walked into what appeared to be an abortion clinic - they seemed to be ubiquitous. At the time the sign overhead said "Information" in Cyrillic, so not knowing, I stumbled in looking for directions and "information". Lo and behold it was full of young girls sitting looking sheepishly and watching some kind of gynecological video on a TV monitor. It didn't take me long to realize that this was some kind of an abortion center... a very bustling one at that. I came to the conclusion that the word which looked like "information" actually was a kind of trademark for some kind of corner abortion shop.
I soon consulted my Russian dictionary and found out the real Russian word for information - which is not at all similar to our English one (no cognate).
The last time I went (this spring), I didn't have the chance to take the subway, so couldn't see if this had changed since '94. Seeing the latest demographic statistics, I doubt that there has been a dramatic change.

25 posted on 08/29/2002 2:24:00 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: LibertyGirl77
I'm with you. Seems like an odd correlation to make. Could be something as simple as more people that have abortions also happen to smoke or take vodka intravenously or what have you...
26 posted on 08/29/2002 2:25:48 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: NYer
Truly amusing in light of the estimated average number of life-time abortions per woman in the Soviet Union: Ten.
27 posted on 08/29/2002 2:27:54 PM PDT by aculeus
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To: aruanan
Your insight into the statistics and probability analysis is disheartening, but it is often good to know if a tool one would like to use is weak or flawed.

I remember a book from my youth that has stuck with me: How to Lie with Statistics and my whole life I've watched the left use every tactic they described.

28 posted on 08/29/2002 2:30:17 PM PDT by KC Burke
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To: Black Agnes
The Russians better lie back and think of Moscow and do the dirty deed as many times as they can

Women aren't interested, sorry.

Galina spent an hour or so talking to us about rearing children, special work protections, incentives, daycare, the works that the government offers to encourage childbirth. No dice.

I think 80 years of militant atheism have taken their toll. Same as here only a different flavor of the diabolical where the imposition of Deathist ideas and "rights" are concerned.

29 posted on 08/29/2002 2:41:18 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Black Agnes
Actually, since abortion is the favored method of birth control in Russia, I'm surprised PRAVDA printed this at all, unless the ruskie elites are pondering the birth rate implosion going on in Russia just now...Hmmmm

BINGO!!!!!!!!

30 posted on 08/29/2002 2:45:55 PM PDT by Nat Turner
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To: plain talk
The connection makes sense....the increase in hormones to the breast tissue starts when an egg is fertilized, and a sudden removal of the fetus interrupts the body's natural processes most unnaturally. The studies I've seen are more convincing than many studies that make the NY Times front page and at least deserve further study.

If there is a real increased risk of breast cancer from first time pregnancy/abortions...not telling young women is criminal.

Sub-Committee Hearings-on "War on Cancer"
Dr. Brind's ABC Link at World Conference on Breast Cancer
Dr. Brind's review of the Melbye/Danish Report

http://members.aol.com/dfjoseph/brind.html

31 posted on 08/29/2002 3:53:03 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: Bryan
Thanks for the ping, Bryan. Pravda...more reliable than today's NY Times? (^:
32 posted on 08/29/2002 3:54:10 PM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl
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To: NYer
Pravda relying on NewsMax for medical opinion. Ba ha ha!
33 posted on 08/29/2002 3:59:54 PM PDT by jlogajan
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To: NYer
Re: Pravda to learn the truth?

Rofl !1 oh please . . stop ! You're killing me !

34 posted on 08/29/2002 4:07:59 PM PDT by ChadGore
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To: Salvation; fatima; EODGUY; JMJ333; Cap'n Crunch; patent; Alamo-Girl; amom; brat
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35 posted on 08/29/2002 4:26:16 PM PDT by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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Believe me, I understand.

Christmas Eve I was standing on the levee watching sparks shower from a raging bonfire turning to embers before my eyes and eavesdropping on two young women talking about how they wanted to have a family and all but figured they'd get a career going first and then worry about kids.

That may be a fine plan for men but it doesn't work the same way for women. There seems little point in wasting your childbearing years on a career you could just as easily pick up at forty and to which you could give your undivided attention once the kids are in college or on their own instead of missing out on their formative years when they need you most.

Certainly an excellent way to counter the empty-nest syndrome.

Women have been duped by the feminists to put the First Things last. That's one reason I posted (and continue to post from time to time) Brother Bernardine's "Four Classes of Women".

It never ceases to amaze me how many guilt-ridden women there are out there. Inevitably, there is shrieking and gnashing of teeth ... as if I'm casting judgment on them for "ending up" begging from Peter to pay Paul as a single mother or choosing work over kids or -- heaven forfend -- ending up a de facto #4 like myself.

The only point in posting it really, is for these women to share it with their daughters. Women need to decide while still young what sort of life they wish to lead ... else they just "end up" some combination of pregnant, married, single or childless.

The sculptor (with whom I basically wasted seven optimum childbearing years) stopped by the porch the other night. During the course of our conversation, we were talking about what a spoiler he was. Strings of women who'd have loved to marry him and have his kids and all of them -- like me -- single and childless instead.

In a moment of charity he reminded me that his brainiac sister had a beautiful, intelligent, gorgeous girl at age 44. All well and good for his sister but I'm not such the flake or so wrapped up in my (non-existent) career that I didn't think about getting married until 40 or impregnated until 44. Plus ... who wants to be 54 on your kid's tenth birthday?

Again, it's one thing if you're a man but quite another if you're a woman ... particularly if you're a woman who has every intention of rearing her own children herself instead of leaving it to the housekeeper, nanny or daycare center.

I don't think increasing your range of fishing coves or the amount of your trolling time is the answer. Quite frankly, at my age (I'm guessing you must be somewhat younger than I), the ratio of freaks and Peter Pans to real men is definitely NOT in our favor. They guys who really wanted to have families do have them already and they're just not out in the bars or giving the gay boys a run for their money on the art circuit. There simply are too many truly frightening scenarios out there as you may know yourself.

I don't wish to assume you're quite as out in left field as I. It's possible you're looking in all the right places. There is this one endearingly loony woman at our firm who informed me the other day that I would probably end up married once I started working at the church. "You're prime material for the Second Wave," she says, "men who got divorced or whose wives have died."

I wasn't sure whether to cry or belt her in the jaw so I just smiled. What can you say? As if some guy fully settled, likely successful, etc. etc. is going to hook up with some middle-aged chick when he could have some nubile thing instead. Silly. Especially if he wants children.

I was talking to my cousin on the beach this summer. Finally divorced from a woman with whom he'd planned on having a family, he's deep into starting up a new company. "I figure the way things are going, I should be ready to have kids in about 5 years so -- for childbearing purposes, I should be dating girls who are 22-25." (Uh-huh ... )

But, technically, he's absolutely right ... though I did take the opportunity to remind him that he was an extremely bright guy and that it might be wise to find someone smarter than he (rotsa ruck with your average co-ed these days). Better to win the hand of someone with whom he was truly in love and wished to spend the rest of his life rather than working it by the numbers from the Age and measurements angle first.

For ... regardless this society's fixation on contraception and "safe sex", the fact is one doesn't always become pregnant at the drop of a hat. Particularly after abusing one's body for a decade or more with human pesticides and other artificial regimens or drugs or habits of one sort or another.

During the family reunion two years ago, Fr. Kenneth Baker and I were talking about these sorts of things and he suggested the Ave Maria site for single Catholics. (Surprised to find out how old I really was, he did caution me that most guys there would be looking for women a little younger for purposes of having kids. Yeah yeah. =) Evidently he knew one or two folks -- including some woman much older than I -- who'd ended up making matches and marrying. There are several sites listed at The Catholic Community Forum, including the Ave Maria site.

I guess one thing I like about it is that it charges such a steep initial membership fee. Nothing wrong with keeping out those who aren't perfectly serious about the endeavor.

Wanting children is just such a serious endeavor. Some jerk on the forum the other day was decrying my pro-life bona fides by castigating me for never having adopted a child or taken in an unwed pregnant girl ... as if single motherhood or hosting unwed mothers were the ticket on my shoestring budget! =)

I'm happy that you too understand how critical is providing kids a father. I cannot fathom the selfishness of women who don't feel their kids need to know, much less live with, their own Dad.

Between some upbraiding of some anonymous woman on Jedigirls' thread (which I took to heart nonetheless) and my running across the fortune-teller excerpt from "The Circus of Dr. Lao" yesterday, I was feeling pretty bummed on just the subject of being a "leftover" woman and having no children ...

Childless you are, and childless you shall remain. Of that suppleness you once commanded in your youth, of that strange simplicity which once attracted a few men to you, neither endures, nor shall you recapture any of them any more. People will talk to you and visit with you out of sentiment or pity, not because you have anything to offer them. Have you ever seen an old cornstalk turning brown, dying, but refusing to fall over, upon which stray birds alight now and then, hardly remarking what it is they perch on? That is you. I cannot fathom your place in life's economy. A living thing should either create or destroy according to its capacity and caprice, but you, you do neither.

But, no sooner had I arrived home in an awful slump of sorts (even the dog was worried), my friend the dulcimer player came knocking on my door ... wanting to please bum one of my cold drip ice coffees, report on his tuning progress and set a date for our next taping session.

As is generally the case with any impromptu knock on the door, two hours later he was still talking and, for whatever reason, he ended up telling me how he's always seen me and -- quite honestly -- I was stunned to think I could give such an impression to someone who's primarily known me only in passing though we've certain circles of friends and acquaintances in common.

Long story short ... it may hurt how unfair life appears to be sometimes but if you don't closet yourself in bitterness or anger or self-pity, it's possible you'll make some sense out of your suffering ... not only get wise but occasionally be blessed to receive the occasional reminder that your suffering's actually born fruit somehow in the lives of others.

There is a collection of essays by some Anglican clergyman among the books my grandmother keeps in her chapel. I was musialing through it late one night and "The Usefulness of Spinsters" essay caught my eye. (I'm probably remembering the title as a little more harsh that is is but it's a book circa WWI and fairly straightforward, if you know what I mean.)

I shall make a copy of it this weekend and maybe post it. I like to use it as a Brechtian slap in the face anytime I'm getting maudlin about all my dumb moves, marriage and kids and the way some folks -- particularly women who abort their children -- practically twist the knife in the hearts of those who can't conceive, who've had miscarriages or who would give anything to have a child or -- at the very least -- given themselves only to the sort of a man who would marry her and would wish to keep any child they did conceive.

Did I say "long story short" and still forget the point? This response is only so long because I want to make certain you don't think I'm offering platitudes without empathy. It's more than the old "just when you quit looking, love will find you" thing ... it's more a prayer that -- regardless whether or not you're blessed with the marriage and children to which you'd give yourself utterly and which would make you happy -- there is always the opportunity to give yourself completely ... to your first and only true Love by ... especially, it seems, by leaving yourself detached and, barring self-absorption, selfless such that you're there to attend to any of His children in need, not just those you or others might consider "yours".

Damned tough being an Order of One these days but there are more of us out there than you know ... wishing like hell we did have some Mother Superior who'd banish us to the Baron's manse to look after his kids and sing songs all day! (Though real life's never works out quite the same as the movies, I know ... =)

I'll keep you in my prayers. Take care.

36 posted on 08/29/2002 5:25:35 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: Black Agnes
Actually, since abortion is the favored method of birth control in Russia, I'm surprised PRAVDA printed this at all, unless the ruskie elites are pondering the birth rate implosion going on in Russia just now...Hmmmm

Russians (and most of East Europeans) developed a severe case of alergy to the censorship, official lies and propaganda. Probably uncurable. West will get the same disease in a fifty years or so.

37 posted on 08/29/2002 5:30:21 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: hove
Is there a rock solid connection between breast cancer and abortion?

Yes, about 50% of cases in America can be caused by abortion. Another part is cased by miscarriages and by hormonal "therapies". The rest is much less than half.

The mechanism is a sudden disruption of rapid development of cells which are to produce milk.

38 posted on 08/29/2002 5:33:27 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: LibertyGirl77
Childless women (those who have never been pregnant), women who have had natural miscarriages, and women who have aborted all have a statistically similar risk of breast cancer.

Come on, you know better! You betrayed it by including miscarriages in your list. (Miscarriages physiologically are similar to abortion.) About HALF of abortion cases can be associated with abortion and some others with miscarriage.

39 posted on 08/29/2002 5:43:31 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Bryan
The abortion industry, like it's enabler's, the Democrats, will sacrifice as many innocents as it takes to keep the dollars flowing in and to defend the lies that make their existance possible. Truth is the spark that would ignite the explosion that would blow them to hell.
40 posted on 08/29/2002 7:41:07 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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