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Scientists Say Earth Formed Faster
Associated Press ^ | Wed Aug 28, 2:00 PM ET | RICK CALLAHAN

Posted on 08/29/2002 10:42:37 AM PDT by Junior

Scientists have found evidence that Earth made its final step to planet status about 30 million years earlier than previous research had suggested.

Working independently, two groups of scientists analyzed meteorites that contain telltale clues about planetary formation and compared them to rocks from Earth.

Both teams reached the same conclusion: Earth's metallic core formed about 30 million years after the solar system's birth.

The findings contrast with 1995 research that suggested Earth's core formed about 60 million years after the sun condensed at the center of a swirling disc of gas and dust. The new date pinpoints the approximate time that Earth had nearly reached its current mass.

David Stevenson, a professor of planetary sciences at Cal Tech in Pasadena, Calif., said the new analyses fit well with current theoretical ideas about the pace of Earth's formation.

Stevenson, who wasn't involved with the research, said the new calculations give an approximate date for when Earth's metallic core finished separating from its silicate-based mantle. That event is considered the last major event of Earth's formation.

The research, which appears in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature, was done by a German team and Harvard University researchers who collaborated with French scientists.

Stevenson said the fact that the two groups of scientists reached the same results increases the weight of the findings.

The new date for Earth's core was reached through a series of complex calculations of the ratios of the radioactive elements hafnium and tungsten found in primitive chondrite meteorites left over from the solar system's formation.

These meteorites provide a baseline for determining the age of planetary cores because they come from planetary bodies that never formed a core, said Thorsten Kleine of the University of Munster in Germany, who led the German team.

Those results were then compared with rocks from the Earth, Mars and meteorites believed to have originated on the large asteroid Vesta, yielding evidence that each was older than previous estimates.

"Generally speaking this means that all of the planets, not just the Earth, formed much faster than we had assumed," Kleine said.

The refined figures yielded a precise date — 4.530 billion years ago — that marks Earth's unofficial status as a planet, he said.

The findings also push back the origin of Earth's moon because most scientists believe the moon formed from material ejected when a Mars-sized planet collided with the proto-Earth, Kleine said.

Geologist Alex N. Halliday, whose 1995 research produced the figure that Earth formed about 60 million years after the solar system's birth, said his team apparently made an error in one if its measurements.

"We do not have a clear explanation for the apparent error in our ... data at this time," Halliday, of the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology in Zurich, said via e-mail message.

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To: RightWhale; Junior; longshadow; Gumlegs
Vestal meteorites...

A meteorite that never...uhhh, hmmm....joined together with another meteor to form a single body? Not unprecedented, you know...

21 posted on 08/29/2002 11:20:31 AM PDT by general_re
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To: Dataman
the more complex life is discovered to be, the older the universe, earth and "first appearances" of life will become

Just a Wolfram Principle of Computational Equivalence bump. Nothing to see here, move along.

22 posted on 08/29/2002 11:23:49 AM PDT by RightWhale
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To: Cincinatus
My Bible tells me all I need to know about how we got here, and that's that.

What chapter and verse does this "7000 year" age occur in?

The Bible doesn't specifically say 7000 years in a set verse, but you can determine the age based upon the geneologies and family trees listed. In many cases a life span was given, so we can tell from Adam to Christ, about 4000-4500 years passed. Add another 2002 years and we are setting in the range of 6000-7000 years.

23 posted on 08/29/2002 11:32:10 AM PDT by The Bard
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To: Cincinatus
How long is one of Gods days in human time?
24 posted on 08/29/2002 11:40:08 AM PDT by fella
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To: fella
How long is one of Gods days in human time?

Good Question. Considering that Adam was made on day 6, there were no human witnesses of the previous 5 days. My studies show that unless you were associating the word Day (as used in the Bible) to a period of time (such as using the term "In the Day of Moses" which would refer to a period of days during the life of Moses), then the period of a day was essentially one passing of the sun. If daytime was longer at that time, we could be looking at a long period of time, but if all things have remained "essentially" unchanged, then we are looking at about a day as we know it.

25 posted on 08/29/2002 12:15:18 PM PDT by The Bard
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To: The Bard
then the period of a day was essentially one passing of the sun. If daytime was longer at that time, we could be looking at a long period of time,

It's problematic to discuss day and night in terms of the sun, as the sun wasn't created until day 4 (the day after grasses and trees were created).

26 posted on 08/29/2002 12:22:53 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: claptrap
The answer to your question lies in the realm of philosophical science (cosmology, etc), not operational science. That means it is not verifiable, but only speculative.
27 posted on 08/29/2002 12:24:49 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Junior
Huh? To check their work, it would need to be repeatable. How do you do that for this topic?
28 posted on 08/29/2002 12:25:39 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: fella
24 hours
29 posted on 08/29/2002 12:28:52 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: LiteKeeper
The hebrew word for "day" is "yom". It is frequently found outside of the book of Genesis.

410 times it appears with a number and always means a 24-hour day.

Whenever the phrase "evening and morning" is used outside of Genesis 1 without the word day (38 times) it always means an ordinary day - no exception. Whenever the words "evening" and "morning" are used individually with the word day (in fact 23 times each) outside of Genesis 1, the word day always means an ordinary day.

Whenever the word "night" is used with the word day (52 times outside of Genesis 1) the word day always means an ordinary day. In other words, whenever the word day is used with a number, or with the words evening or morning, or with the word night, or whenever the phrase "evening and morning" is used, outside of Genesis 1 the Hebrew word for day always means an ordinary day, or the phrase evening morning means an ordinary day.

The first time the word day is used in Genesis 1, it is qualified with the words night, evening, morning, and number. And for each of the other times the word day is used for the six days of Creation, it is used with a number and the words evening or morning. In other words, the contextual usage of the word day in Genesis 1 makes it obvious that it must be interpreted as an ordinary day.

30 posted on 08/29/2002 12:38:06 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: LiteKeeper
To check their work, it would need to be repeatable. How do you do that for this topic?

Nope. Only their methods would have to be repeatable. Additionally, other researchers could test the dates of the rocks using different methods to cross-check the results arrived at by these researchers.

31 posted on 08/29/2002 1:03:39 PM PDT by Junior
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To: LiteKeeper
You are exactomundo in your statement regarding the word "day" in scripture. As for me, I will stick with the account of creation in God's Word.

God bless
32 posted on 08/29/2002 1:14:01 PM PDT by Jmouse007
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To: Junior
The refined figures yielded a precise date — 4.530 billion years ago — that marks Earth's unofficial status as a planet, he said.

Actually, I first thought it was funny that the "journalist" added another two significant figures to the age of the Earth with that 30 million year figure. Now it's just sad.

33 posted on 08/29/2002 1:20:27 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: longshadow
And a "hafnium and tungsten" thank-you for the ping. Lurking, until someone says something new (or really ticks me off)...
34 posted on 08/29/2002 4:01:11 PM PDT by Scully
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To: longshadow
The new date for Earth's core was reached through a series of complex calculations of the ratios of the radioactive elements hafnium and tungsten found in primitive chondrite meteorites left over from the solar system's formation.

I don't suppose we have a planetary science type who might know the level of certainty associated with our understanding of the origins of these very primitive chondrites...?
35 posted on 08/29/2002 4:56:26 PM PDT by aBootes
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To: aBootes; RadioAstronomer
I don't suppose we have a planetary science type who might know the level of certainty associated with our understanding of the origins of these very primitive chondrites...?

When in doubt, start with "RadioAstronomer".....

36 posted on 08/29/2002 5:55:47 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: LiteKeeper
You make a good argument, but consider this: The meaning of a word, no matter how many times it appears in the Bible, is determined by its immediate context -- not a majority vote. In the case of Genesis, if we are to conclude that a 24 hour day (yom) represents a full rotation of the earth about its axis relative to the sun, then there is an apparent problem: God didn't create the sun until "day" 4. This detail opens the possibility of alternative interpretations of the word yom, which may or may not demand a literal 24 hr period. Secondly, to be strictly literal, the phrase "evening and morning" does not necessarily encompass a 24 hour period, but something considerably less, like the hours between late afternoon to early morning. Perhaps the phrase could be taken figuratively, expressing the concept of the beginning and ending of period of time (or labor). Additionally, if the phrase "evening to morning-the first day" is to be taken only as a literal 24 hours, why is it absent on the 7th day? In fact, this is the point in which God rested and has not ceased even until now, since Hebrews 4 informs us that he is still in that Sabbath rest into which he entered after he created. Therefore, if the 7th day includes all of world history to date, and to God "a 1,000 years is a day and a day is 1,000 years," isn't it at least possible the universe is extremely old, perhaps even older than modern science has even begun to imagine? Regards
37 posted on 08/29/2002 6:30:07 PM PDT by diode
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To: RightWhale
meteorites believed to have originated on the large asteroid Vesta

Those who have a problem with Martian meteorites are going to be skeptically blue with disbelief over
Vestal meteorites.

I don't see why, we know they had virgins.

38 posted on 08/29/2002 6:36:33 PM PDT by tet68
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To: The Bard
When you look at the globe, look at Africa and South America and how they could fit together. They were of course once connected and they're still moving away from each other. Do you know how long it must have taken for them to have moved that far apart from each other? I'm no scientist but I know that just that alone tells me the earth is much, much older than 7,000 years.

I believe that the Bible is from God, and I'm also sure that the Bible was never intended to be a science book; so we should not try to interpret it that way. Also, when Scripture was written, remember that God was communicating the words to very primitive man who could not comprehend anything close to what man can today. God had to communicate in simple language because that was all man understood.

39 posted on 08/29/2002 7:33:47 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: RightWhale
Nothing to see here, move along

Nothing to see? It means that what is dogmatically stated as evolutionary fact today is not a fact tomorrow. It means that dating methods and the presuppositions behind those dating methods are seriously flawed and subject to change as the evolutionary story-tellers see fit. It means that the event of life arising from non-life is no less than a miracle which is minimized by adding lots and lots of time.

40 posted on 08/30/2002 6:37:03 AM PDT by Dataman
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