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Second Body in Weaver's Yard ID'd as Missing Girl's
Fox News ^ | August 27, 2002

Posted on 08/27/2002 8:53:24 AM PDT by robowombat

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:34:31 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

OREGON CITY, Ore.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: ashleypond; wardfrancisweaver

1 posted on 08/27/2002 8:53:24 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat
Family members and friends have said they had a close, and at times inappropriate, relationship.

Thank God we're so civilized now. Time was, those friends and family members would have told Weaver to leave town or be hung from the nearest tall tree.

2 posted on 08/27/2002 9:11:55 AM PDT by SteamshipTime
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To: robowombat
We are never going to forget what happened. This is going to hurt my daughter for the rest of her life," said Wes Duffey,
Miranda's grandfather.

"We know she's dead," he said. "We have an answer to that. The next question is, who done it."

WHO DONE IT!?! Can hardly wait for this mystery to be cleared up.
3 posted on 08/27/2002 9:23:44 AM PDT by Valpal1
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To: robowombat
I have a question for those who are Born Again Christians: you claim that only those who are Born Again, John 3:3, will get into heaven, well, what about these two little girls? What if they were devote Jews or devote Catholics, muslims or simply hadn’t reached the age of caring one way or another about religion? What happens to them?

Please no flames, this is a serious question.

4 posted on 08/27/2002 9:34:53 AM PDT by 2timothy3.16
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To: 2timothy3.16
Oh boy, watch the fun begin!
5 posted on 08/27/2002 9:39:07 AM PDT by HanneyBean
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To: HanneyBean
What do you mean?
6 posted on 08/27/2002 9:40:06 AM PDT by 2timothy3.16
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To: 2timothy3.16
Well, your type of question normally elicits quite a robust thread and can get downright nasty at times.
Fun to read, though.
Have fun!
7 posted on 08/27/2002 9:45:40 AM PDT by HanneyBean
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To: robowombat
So the son waited until his own girlfriend was raped before telling the police about the little girls.

Someone better keep an eye on the son too.
8 posted on 08/27/2002 9:55:55 AM PDT by Clink
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To: 2timothy3.16
What if they were devote Jews or devote Catholics, muslims or simply hadn’t reached the age of caring one way or another about religion? What happens to them?

It isn't 'caring about religion' the matters, but, having reached the age of responsbility, what does one do with Jesus Christ. 'Devout' this or that won't get anyone to heaven; only a relationship with Jesus Christ can do that.

As to 12 and 13-year old girls, only God knows whether they had reached that point and, more importantly, what they did with the offer of Christ. But, if they were not of responsible age, they are covered as innocents before Christ and go to heaven as any infant or young child would.

Our responsibility to exercise our free will to accept Chrisit arises, obviously, when we are mature enough to have one.

9 posted on 08/27/2002 10:00:27 AM PDT by winstonchurchill
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To: 2timothy3.16
I have a question for those who are Born Again Christians: you claim that only those who are Born Again, John 3:3, will get into heaven, well, what about these two little girls? What if they were devote Jews or devote Catholics, muslims or simply hadn’t reached the age of caring one way or another about religion? What happens to them?

The bible gives three possible ways to get to heaven.

The first is don't violate your conscience. The second is don't violate the law the third is accept salvation from Jesus. (The first 2 are from Romans 2:12-15 the third of course is John 3:16)

There is an age of accountability, where the conscience is developed enough to know right from wrong. If a child dies before that age he will go to heaven. If he dies after that age then we have to ask if he violated his conscience. Since everyone has we need to check option 2

Did the child obey the whole law (God's law not mans')? Since only one person ever obeyed the whole law (and it's impossible that anyone in the last 1930 years was able to) we can move on to option 3

Did the child accept Jesus as Savior?

Since all men are sinners and have fallen short of the glory of God then all men need a savior. No one has managed to get into heaven by option 2 (although it is theoretically possible, due to man's nature it's out of our reach) and no one with a developed conscience has ever made it to heaven by option 1 (every one violates their conscience sometimes) then the only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ.

Now if these girls were immature enough that their conscience wasn't developed yet then they will have gone to heaven. If they had a developed conscience then they went to hell (unles they were already Christians). Note that it's not whether they cared about religion. It's about whether they understood right and wrong.

Jews, budhists, islamics, pagans, atheists, non-Christian church-goers (Catholics,baptists,pentecostals, presby's etc who do not have a personnal relationship with Christ but who attend church), non-Christian mature children of Christians, all go to hell. Only by faith in Jesus Christ as your Savior can you get to heaven.

The lesson in this is to be sure that you are ready, that you have repented of your sins and made Jesus your Savior. We also need to be sure that our loved ones are ready. None of us is promised our next breath. We have only this chance to grab onto Jesus and get to heaven. We had better take advantage of it, hell waits for those who don't.

God Save America (Please)

10 posted on 08/27/2002 10:13:11 AM PDT by John O
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To: 2timothy3.16
Why does how somebody died matter?
11 posted on 08/27/2002 4:57:48 PM PDT by A.J.Armitage
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To: winstonchurchill
Thank you
12 posted on 08/27/2002 5:00:34 PM PDT by 2timothy3.16
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To: John O
Thank you
13 posted on 08/27/2002 5:01:12 PM PDT by 2timothy3.16
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To: John O
The girls were raped and abused by family members before they were murdered. Assuming they reached the point where they knew right from wrong before dying, I find it hard to believe that they would be sentenced to hell for not finding Christ for He sure made such a discover difficult.
14 posted on 08/27/2002 5:02:43 PM PDT by KantianBurke
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To: KantianBurke
The girls were raped and abused by family members before they were murdered. Assuming they reached the point where they knew right from wrong before dying, I find it hard to believe that they would be sentenced to hell for not finding Christ for He sure made such a discover difficult.

I find it hard to believe that the Living God won't find an especially warm spot near the furnace for the 'family members' who raped and abused them. I, for one, would take some free turns stoking the fires to keep the temp up. The 'death penalty' really doesn't cover it. "It is a terrifying thing to fall into the hands of the living God." [Heb 10:31]

15 posted on 08/27/2002 10:23:29 PM PDT by winstonchurchill
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To: KantianBurke
If they died in a church bus accident or even if they died suddenly but peacefully in church doesn't really matter. The only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ. If you don't know Him as Savior you go to hell when you die. Since none of us are guaranteed the next breath, maybe it's better to Accept Him now.

GSA(P)

16 posted on 08/28/2002 4:56:31 AM PDT by John O
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To: 2timothy3.16
You're welcome.

GSA(P)

17 posted on 08/28/2002 4:56:50 AM PDT by John O
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