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Augusta kids killed (Another Homeschool Killing)
Helena Independent Record ^ | 8/27/2002 | CAROLYNN BRIGHT

Posted on 08/27/2002 5:47:49 AM PDT by CholeraJoe

Augusta kids killed
By CAROLYNN BRIGHT, IR Staff Writer - 08/27/02

Swanson faces 2 counts of murder.
A 46-year-old Augusta mother allegedly shot and killed two of her four children as they slept in their beds at the family ranch about 15 miles southwest of Augusta early Monday.
Jeanette Swanson faces two counts of deliberate homicide in connection with the shootings and is being held in the Lewis and Clark County Jail without bond.
Swanson was placed on suicide watch at the jail Monday afternoon while the bodies of her children — a 10-year-old girl and a 14-year-old boy — were brought to the State Crime Lab in Missoula, where an autopsy will be conducted, said Undersheriff Cheryl Liedle.
According to Liedle, emergency responders flocked to the Swanson Ranch just before 6 a.m. after Swanson called 911, reporting that she had shot her two children.
Swanson’s other two children — boys, ages 16 and 20 — were in the house at the time of the killing, but were unharmed in the incident.
Swanson’s husband, Gene, was sleeping in a camp trailer outside the residence when the shootings occurred, Liedle said.
According to reports, Swanson was waiting at the door of the residence when emergency crews arrived.
Her children were located in their beds inside — both were dead at the scene, Liedle said.
Liedle said a firearm believed to have been used in the shootings was recovered at the family home, but officials will await the results of the autopsies to determine whether it was, in fact, the murder weapon.
Court documents indicate that Swanson’s 20-year-old son reported to authorities that his mother had a .38 Smith and Wesson gun in her possession when she placed the 911 call, but Liedle would not confirm whether that was the same make of gun seized at the scene.
Lewis and Clark County Sheriff Sam McCormack said Monday morning that a motive for the killings was sketchy.
However, he said that Swanson and her husband had argued last week about Swanson’s decision to enroll the two children in school in Augusta — Gene Swanson wanted his wife to continue to home school the kids on the ranch while she wanted them to attend public school.
The children attended their first classes at school in Augusta last week.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: homeschool; homeschoollist; montana; murder
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To: Tired of Taxes
thrill out of bashing us

WHERE was i bashing homeschoolers, i repeatedly said that i thought it was the optimum situation for those that CAN! i thought we had all agreed that there are nutjob parents that SHOULD NOT, and when homeschool mama attempted to equate nutjob teachers with nutjob homeschooling parents, i only attempted to point out that there is hopefully a safety net that catches the wacko teachers and that there is no such safety net for homeschoolers. PERIOD. i didn't say that there were MANY nutjob homeschooling parents, but we can name at least 2 offhand, andrea yates and this woman, so while the extreme minority it DOES happen. Sheesh! again, i think that the chip on the homeschoolers shoulders gets in the way of reason on occasion.

281 posted on 08/27/2002 9:41:30 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy
To assume homeschoolers have no accountability is an ignorant statement. My tone was not meant to be nasty...just stating fact.
282 posted on 08/27/2002 9:42:04 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: homeschool mama
Yeah.
283 posted on 08/27/2002 9:44:54 AM PDT by bokonon
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To: homeschool mama
maybe accountability was the wrong choice of words, see 281
284 posted on 08/27/2002 9:45:13 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy
...but as a parent, who is overseeing the wackos and stupid people who are homeschooling their kids?

You have stumbled upon the proverbial fork-in-the-road. Do parents have ultimate oversight or does government? If you give the feds oversight, when does oversight become interference. And should stupid people have as much right as people who are more intelligent? Who decides who is stupid, or unqualified?

I would rather let ALL parents have unabridged rights to homeschool their kids, even at the risk of situations like this happening, UNLESS the parent or parents have some history of criminal abuse.

285 posted on 08/27/2002 9:49:23 AM PDT by Sangamon Kid
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To: bokonon
why?
286 posted on 08/27/2002 9:51:42 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: Sangamon Kid
i am in NO WAY advocating gov't oversight of homeschooling!!! i think stupid, crazy and impatient people should be free to school their children as they see fit, the inadvisability of doing so, notwithstanding. my only beef is with those that trumpet homeschooling as the ONLY way to go, and there are those on this forum that hold that view.
287 posted on 08/27/2002 9:52:05 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: xsmommy
i think that the chip on the homeschoolers shoulders gets in the way of reason on occasion

You hit that nail on the head. For the record I also have no problem with homeschooling as long as the parent is capable.

288 posted on 08/27/2002 9:52:48 AM PDT by Intimidator
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To: xsmommy
**when homeschool mama attempted to equate nutjob teachers with nutjob homeschooling parents, i only attempted to point out that there is hopefully a safety net that catches the wacko teachers and that there is no such safety net for homeschoolers. **

Ahhh..but there are safety nets for homeschoolers. That's why I stated before that you should do your homework before making random judgements.

289 posted on 08/27/2002 9:54:55 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: homeschool mama
so THEN, a child has no more reason to be schooled by a nutjob teacher than he has to be schooled by a nutjob parent. so everything is ok then. and andrea yates and this woman just slipped through that net? i am NOT doubting that there is such a thing as a safety net for homeschoolers, but i only raised this in response to your proposition that there are nutjob teachers that are an equal threat.
290 posted on 08/27/2002 9:57:45 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Intimidator; xsmommy
For the record I also have no problem with homeschooling as long as the parent is capable.

If the homeschooling parent is formally trained in educational techniques and certified by a regulatory agency, I have no problem either. When mothers with a GED insist on homeschooling their kids I get pretty worked up.

291 posted on 08/27/2002 9:58:48 AM PDT by CholeraJoe
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To: CholeraJoe
When they are in private school they only have to worry about coke in the bathroom and the gangs of bloods and cripts in public school who carry out school shootings.
292 posted on 08/27/2002 9:59:34 AM PDT by Brush_Your_Teeth
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To: xsmommy
i didn't say that there were MANY nutjob homeschooling parents, but we can name at least 2 offhand, andrea yates and this woman, so while the extreme minority it DOES happen.

Well, of course, it happens. It happens more often among non-homeschoolers, too. But, is anyone here advocating a "safety net" to watch non-homeschooling parents? No. So, WHY would you advocate one for homeschoolers?

Certainly, there are "whackos" and "stupid people" in every group. But, if someone posted here that some working moms are whackos and stupid people and questioned who is watching them to make sure they're raising their children right, wouldn't you consider that to be a negative comment coming from someone who has a beef with working moms? I think you would.

293 posted on 08/27/2002 10:00:11 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes
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To: xsmommy
i am in NO WAY advocating gov't oversight of homeschooling!!!

Take a deep breath. I wasn't saying you were advocating anything, but merely stated that you had stumbled upon the crux of the issue....Who has oversight over children, parents or government? This will be the issue that all the politicians, intellectuals, bureaucrats, social activists, and their cousins will be debating. Nothing new here. They've debated this issue since the homeschool movement got off the ground in the 60's or 70's.

294 posted on 08/27/2002 10:00:56 AM PDT by Sangamon Kid
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To: homeschool mama
RE your post #262 - Maybe. But, people have been known to yank their kids out of public schools after a week too.
295 posted on 08/27/2002 10:01:56 AM PDT by summer
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To: Tired of Taxes
It happens more often among non-homeschoolers, too.

Back this assertion up with facts. How many children are killed by their teachers in public or private school? That's what we're really talking about.

296 posted on 08/27/2002 10:03:48 AM PDT by CholeraJoe
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To: Tired of Taxes
SAFETY NETS are not the issue. ASSUME that there are equivalent safety nets for homeschooled kids as well as kids in other educational institutions. the bottom line remains that there are those that should NOT homeschool. You do the homeschooling cause no service by going off half cocked against someone who FROM THE GET-GO, proclaimed herself a full backer and supporter of homeschooling. If you want acceptance and greater participation in pressing the homeschooling issue, you really need to watch the boulder-sized chip on the shoulder and not attack people who are ON YOUR SIDE!
297 posted on 08/27/2002 10:03:52 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Sangamon Kid; Tired of Taxes; homeschool mama
well apparently i stumbled onto the HOT BUTTON phrase of ACCOUNTABILITY that sent both Tired of Taxes and Homeschool Mama right off the beam! hey guys, lighten up!
298 posted on 08/27/2002 10:05:08 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: Corin Stormhands
The problem here is not homeschool vs. public school, but another deranged woman. My comment about shooting him was tongue in cheek (and some obviously missed that). But supposedly, her argument was with him, not the kids.

Part of the problem around here is people missing humor that should slap them in the place.

One of my favorite biblical stories is where God tells Abram that Abe's gonna have a son. Abe chuckles to himself.

So God tells him he's got to name the boy, Isaac....meaning "laughter."

Sort of a light-hearted moment with God. Tells me a lot about what God would be like if we would just let Him.

299 posted on 08/27/2002 10:06:05 AM PDT by xzins
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To: xsmommy; SpookBrat; TxBec; SuziQ
**so THEN, a child has no more reason to be schooled by a nutjob teacher than he has to be schooled by a nutjob parent. so everything is ok then. and andrea yates and this woman just slipped through that net? i am NOT doubting that there is such a thing as a safety net for homeschoolers, but i only raised this in response to your proposition that there are nutjob teachers that are an equal threat.**

Oh please. Just calm down, k?

Charter schools, private ISP's, support groups are some avenues of accountability for homeschoolers. I lead a group and every single family is deeply committed and successful in their homeschool lifestyle.

You seem to desire dragging homeschoolers through the mire, xs. There are wacko public school teachers, yes. Obviously their accountability methods don't work too well, eh?

You need to understand that there is accountability and support in the homeschool community. HSLDA is in your backyard so to speak. I would suggest you take time to do a search on their website for accurate homeschool information..rather than ignorant judgement.

300 posted on 08/27/2002 10:06:40 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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