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AUTOPSY AND INVESTIGATIVE REPORTS ON THE DEATH OF CHIEF NEGOTIATOR
08/23/02 | Harris County Medical Examiner's Office, Houston Fire Department Fire/Arson Investigations

Posted on 08/25/2002 5:31:16 PM PDT by COB1

About three months ago, under the advice of the Texas Attorney General's office, I wrote a registered letter to Joyce M. Carter of the Medical Examiner's Office of Harris County in Houston, Texas, requesting the coroner's report on Herbert Paul Meadows, known to us as CHIEF Negotiator, who died in a fire at his house on October 4, 2001.

That report along with the Houston Fire Department's report on the investigation of that fire has finally arrived.

Without going into the technical aspects of the autopsy report, CHIEF Negotiator's death was ruled as accidental due to smoke inhalation.

NOW FOR THE REST OF THE STORY:

From the Arson Bureau's report:

"The fire originated at floor level approximately 4 feet west of the east wall adjacent to the south wall in the formal dining area. At this point the sheetrock on the south wall shows calcination along the south wall approximately 6 feet in length in the area below the southeast window. This suggests an area of intense burning and high heat.
The wood wall base trim at the area of origin was deeply charred by the fire. A wooden dining set of 4 wooden chairs and a wooden table were almost completely consumed by the fire. Small charred pieces of the table and chairs were all that remained.
The fire was very intense in the dining room area and spread to the adjacent rooms to the east, west and north. These rooms sustained high heat and fire damage from the fire spread. The fire consumed wooden doors separating the dining room from the kitchen and family room. Burn patterns were consistent with a fire moving from the dining room area into the adjacent rooms."

These next pics I took through the window shown by the arrow:

Continuing with the Arson Bureau's report:

"Investigators observed that the north side garage entry door was kicked open and that a partial shoe print was found on the door. This investigator was unable to determine if the door was forced by firefighters or was forced prior to the fire."[italics and bold mine]

------------------------- From the Arson Bureau's report:

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"Captain ------ of L-36 told Investigator ------ that he found the deceased Herbert Paul Meadows lying in a fetal position, with his head against the west wall in the bathroom near the den. Firefighters dragged the victim to the driveway where he was pronounced dead by paramedics of Squad 40."

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"Engineer ------- of L-36 reported that he observed two tripped electrical breakers when he shut off the electrical power."

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Investigator ------- went to St. Lukes Emergency Room to interview --------(Mrs.) Meadows who is the wife of the deceased. --------(Mrs.) Meadows was transported by H.F.D. ambulance after the fire. -------(Mrs.) Meadows was treated for smoke inhalation and had been medicated by the hospital but she was able to relate details of the fire.
(Mrs.) Meadows told investigators that she and her husband Herbert watched a late night T.V. show and then she had went to bed while her husband Herbert had went into the den to work on the computer.
Mrs. Meadows stated that she was in bed about 10 minutes as was not asleep when she heard a 'noise or crash'. Mrs. Meadows said the sound 'was like something going through a window'. These sounds came from the other side of the house where her husband was working. This sound was followed by loud screams. (sic)'Was like something going through a window!' She described the sounds made by her husband as 'like I never heard him scream in my life!'
-----(Mrs.) Meadows reported she ran down the hall toward the dining area and was stopped by the thick black smoke in the kitchen area. ----- (Mrs. Meadows) yelled at her husband and asked him if (sic) see needed to call '911'! (Mrs. Meadows) stated that she heard a 'muffled' 'yes!' and then lost contact with Herbert Meadows. (Mrs. Meadows) told investigator that she smelled a 'bar-b-que' type odor like 'when you light a fire with charcoal lighter fluid'. (Mrs. Meadows) attempted to call for help on a phone in the house but she reported the phone was dead. (sic) Meadows went outside in the front yard and yelled for help.

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From notes of the Harris County Medical Examiner's Office:

"Arson inv. reveals no..(crossed out).. flammable fluids"
"The investigators.. (crossed out).. smelled gas at scene"
"Not sure if they are ruling arson or not"


TOPICS: Breaking News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: autopsyreport; chiefnegotiator; freepermurder; investigation; rip; taxreform; usmc
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To: COB1
Fill me in .......when ya get time. Where do I start calling and writing. This is an election year and if they want my vote they are gonna make somebody get off their dead ass and find out who , what and why Herb was killed......

I'll do what I can from here COB1............

Stay Safe !!

901 posted on 10/04/2002 10:45:32 PM PDT by Squantos
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To: COB1
COB1, when you post the email, snail mail and phone numbers, it might be appropriate to ping the Taxreform list, on which CHIEF was so active. Most of the folks on that list will probably help. A-A
902 posted on 10/04/2002 11:30:26 PM PDT by Action-America
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To: Squantos
This is an election year and if they want my vote they are gonna make somebody get off their dead ass and find out who , what and why Herb was killed......

Amen...couldn't agree with what you said any more...

Don't blast me for suggesting this everyone, but what about "Unsolved Mysteries?" Otherwise, I think finding someone who is an excellent PI, with skills more intimidating than the booby-trapping mental patient neighbor is certainly called for, no?

Lord, *please* lead us into a clearing, soon. We desperately plead for Your help, mercy, and Your Divine intervention. Please, Lord. We know that Thy Word is a lamp unto our feet, and a light unto the path. Psalm 119:105 Show us the way according to You. Guide us Lord, we pray. In Your Name Forever. Amen.

http://my.homewithgod.com/heavenlymidis/songbook/thyword.html


903 posted on 10/05/2002 5:21:45 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
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To: COB1; All
Whoops...I should've sent that last post to you, too, Cob...and everyone. My apologies.
904 posted on 10/05/2002 5:24:33 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL; All
I did send a letter to "America's Most Wanted" detailing the crime, but they didn't respond.
"Unsolved Mysteries" might be a better bet.

New thread coming.............

905 posted on 10/05/2002 7:20:59 AM PDT by COB1
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To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
That might have been the most productive post these threads have seen yet. Thank you.
906 posted on 10/05/2002 8:08:44 AM PDT by My back yard
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To: COB1
e-mail blitzBUMP!

Thanks, Coby!

907 posted on 10/05/2002 9:30:23 AM PDT by ST.LOUIE1
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To: sailor4321
Re: your post #54. I wondered the same thing. I lived in the Houston area from 1973 to 1982 and I know that there was a lot of trouble with aluminum wiring in some of the houses that were hastily built during that period. I remember asking my husband about our house repeatedly. We had copper wire, but the builders took shortcuts elsewhere! This home looks like many Houston homes of that period.
908 posted on 10/05/2002 11:13:22 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: COB1
More legealese mumbo jumbo. Anything not to have to prosecute a criminal. We have another parole hearing in March, was supposed to be Nov but they had to get him mentally evaluated AGAIN which put it off until March. Since he will have approximately 6 months after that until he's maxed out his sentence I doubt they'll deny parole as they will want at least 6 months of suprevised parole. That I've managed to keep him in this long is a GOD answered prayer.
909 posted on 10/05/2002 12:54:17 PM PDT by GailA
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To: COB1
Thanks for the ping. You have sure done everything you could to resolve this. You can take comfort from that.

Cob1 - may I suggest that prayer is the answer for you. This is bothering you deeply and you can't solve it. Time to seek God's help and guidance and that He will let you find peace over this situation. Put this into His hands.

Then do the best you can - but, if a solution is not to be found, accept it for now. I know it is hard but just because we continually beat our heads against the door doesn't mean that door will open if it is locked. We do no good to give ourselves concussions and lose the brains we have.

I'll be glad to do whatever you need. I have doubts about the effectiveness of the emails but it is sure worth a try.

Could it be that there is just no evidence or not enough evidence to do anything about the case? Could it be they are still waiting on additional evidence so that something can be done? That would explain their reaction. It does not matter how many times you yell at them about it, if there is no case, there is no case. They would not want to turn over information to an outsider because of contamination of the case.

Of course, if there was a coverup - the same reaction.
910 posted on 10/05/2002 10:43:49 PM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: COB1; All
Please go here.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/763577/posts#91
911 posted on 10/06/2002 10:13:50 AM PDT by carenot
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
For those who care, I worry about COB1's health, given the number of hours he worries about this matter. I'm sure he could use any prayers you have to spare! ;-)

That is something that I can definately, and will do! COB, consider yourself in my prayers now. Try and turn those stresses over to the Lord to carry for you, He's up 24/7 you know. You are very important to this effort and need to take better care of yourself.

912 posted on 10/07/2002 11:14:36 AM PDT by girlscout
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To: COB1
If you have a Ping list would you please add me to it? I'd be happy to help with the e-mail /letter writing blitz.
913 posted on 10/07/2002 11:19:59 AM PDT by girlscout
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To: girlscout; TexasCowboy
Will this thing bump?
914 posted on 04/23/2003 10:59:31 AM PDT by carenot
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To: carenot
Looks like it did.
915 posted on 04/23/2003 11:17:17 AM PDT by technochick99 (Self defense is a basic human right. http://www.2ASisters.org)
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To: carenot
Yep .. Read the whole thing all over again .
916 posted on 04/23/2003 2:09:28 PM PDT by Ben Bolt (Remembering ..)
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To: carenot
Care, are you an Admin. Mod.?
How did you get away with posting this?
The last time we had a thread about Herb I had to have a lot of support before JimRob would let it stay.

I've had an intense work schedule since last December, but it's slacking off now.
I can promise you this:
I AM NOT THROUGH!
Within the next month I'll have some information, one way or the other.
I'll have to decide if I want to post it and have it deleted or just e-mail the interested parties.
Thank you for keeping this alive.

917 posted on 04/23/2003 3:02:44 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: carenot
Thanks for the bump! I think about this often and wonder what, if anything has happened.
918 posted on 04/24/2003 9:12:03 AM PDT by girlscout
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To: girlscout; Taxman; All
Thank you for the bump.

It is not over yet.

We won't leave this alone until we have justice for the Chief.

919 posted on 04/24/2003 10:58:32 AM PDT by carenot
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To: carenot
Thank you for the ping. Not a day goes by that I don't think about my FRiend, the CHIEF negotiator and his family.
920 posted on 04/24/2003 2:31:51 PM PDT by Taxman
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