Posted on 08/22/2002 7:04:53 AM PDT by Sabertooth
This is a vanity post, let's get that straight from the start.
Perhaps the most vain aspect of it is the conceit that it might stay on topic, but I'm going to give it a whirl.
One of the more contentious species of threads encountered on Free Republic are those dealing with the subject of America's immigration policy, particularly with regard to the Illegal Aliens currently in our country. According a range of reasonable sources, the estimates of their numbers here currently here range from six to thirteen million. Whatever the actual count, there are quite a few people now in violation of American immigration law.
One subtopic that inevitably arises is the question of Amnesty:
Should all or some portion of the Illegal Aliens be granted an Amnesty and be thereby allowed to change their status and acquire legal residence in the United States?
That's the question I'd like to put forward to the members of Free Republic.
Almost as inevitably on threads dealing with this subject, flame wars erupt. It's not my purpose to instigate another round of that, they're rather predictable. So I'd like to ask that your comments, if you're inclined to share them, focus on the big picture of American immigration policy, with particular attention to the subject of Amnesty. I'm not interested in the stock and gratuitous divisiveness of race-baiting or referring to the President as "Jorge," or anything of that nature from any quarter. It achieves nothing, it's sulphurous methane heat with no light shed.
I'd also like to avoid ad hominem ambushes. I'm genuinely interested in learning the collective feelings of Free Republic members on this subject. If you're gonna post, I'd like to ask that you ante up with your opinion on the question at hand before engaging the discussion with others. No taking potshots from the obscurity of the sidelines. I'll post my opinion below at #1.
Fair enough?
So, once again, here's the question:
Should all or some portion of the Illegal Aliens be granted an Amnesty and be thereby allowed to change their status and acquire legal residence in the United States?
And the GOP offers similar panderers, so what is the point you're making? They're all pandering to people who can only vote illegally.
President George W. Bush, isn't perfect-I am sure he would be the first to admit that-but when he is stood up beside the above listed dimocrats and other choices within our own party, his flaws by comparison seem non-existant.
Next to most of the democrats, Lucifer looks like a good choice. That doesn't make Bush's standing with the democrats on immigration and amnesty any more palatable. He's simply working on merging the two parties the way he did as governor of Texas. That's what that ridiculous "uniter not a divider" garbage was all about. You want to merge with the democrats, go ahead. I'll keep opposing them. Opposing Bush is a logical move if opposing the democrats is the goal.
Bush is the right man for the job in these trying times, I support his actions, trust his judgement and Pray God's blessings and annointing upon him.
That doesn't square with your opposition to illegal aliens at all. Bush wants to facilitate the invasion. He's definitely not the right man for anything other than dismantling this country. I trust him as far as I could sling him with my left arm.
The state of Texas, school districts, the city of Dallas and how many more are broke and there is only one reason for this. It is not because we are not paying enough taxes. It is simply we have had an influx of too many people using the social services and these people do not pay into the tax base that supports these services. These are the facts. They are not pretty, but they are facts.
I also have Mexicans in my family and, believe me, when I am speaking of the illegals who are destroying this great state and great nation, I am not talking about the likes of my family members or of the friends and neighbors I have had for my 61 years in this state.
President Bush should announce today he is closing the borders and putting troops to guard it, that within 30 days the INS will begin sending home anyone who is here illegally(with or without anchor babies) home, and that he is going to fine any employer who is employing illegals, $1,000 per day (per illegal), retroactive to today. The 30 days will give them time to get their affairs in order.
That sounds good, but as long as these people "who make the businesses run" take just as much if not more of the 'tax dole' as the lazy good for nothings, we are no better off. The greedy corporations are fine, the politicians are fine - but the taxpayers and this nation are still footing the bill. At least, we can apply the law to some of our own 'good for nothings' - but the law is not applied to the illegals.
How does someone who broke the law to get here justify their presence?
They are already there. Just because they take advantage of the capitalist system and start business, make money, doesn't mean they don't at the same time, partake of the taxpayer's money. These people are not ignorant of the ways of the American system of rewards for nothing. They take advantage of both.
No, I don't think anyone who has broken the law to come here should just be allowed to stay. That only encourages more.
LOL BHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA 'some where down the middle? PLEASE. You're as anti-the dark skinned immigrants as Sabertooth.
Absolutely. President Bush as made my vote, my citizenship, and my country's sovereignty irrelevant. Unless the illegals are sent home, this next election will be the last one my vote will have a chance of counting - and I am suppose to give to the man who is responsible for that?
Lucifer is available every election,running under many names but is exposed by his/her always pro-abortion stance, I argue that he would have trouble looking like a good choice up beside even the likes Stalin, Mao,Sadam Hussian, Usama Bin Laden, Castro or even Bill or Hillary Clinton-or in any of the many famous human bodies that have played host to this paracite.
I think Ajnin would be able to answer this one, better then I could.
Ajnin, IYO how many border patrol agents would it take to reduce illegal immigration to near zero, eliminate the terrorist threat, etc. along our northern and southern borders?
What kind of manpower do you guys need?
Can you break it down north and south?
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