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DOJ to prosecute file swappers
ZDNet News ^ | August 20, 2002 | Declan McCullagh

Posted on 08/21/2002 10:34:16 AM PDT by Leroy S. Mort

ASPEN, Colo.--The U.S. Department of Justice is prepared to begin prosecuting peer-to-peer pirates, a top government official said on Tuesday.

John Malcolm, a deputy assistant attorney general, said Americans should realize that swapping illicit copies of music and movies is a criminal offense that can result in lengthy prison terms.

"A lot of people think these activities are legal, and they think they ought to be legal," Malcolm told an audience at the Progress and Freedom Foundation’s annual technology and politics summit.

Malcolm said the Internet has become "the world's largest copy machine" and that criminal prosecutions of copyright offenders are now necessary to preserve the viability of America's content industries. "There does have to be some kind of a public message that stealing is stealing is stealing," said Malcolm, who oversees the arm of the Justice Department that prosecutes copyright and computer crime cases.

In an interview, Malcolm would not say when prosecutions would begin. The response to the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks temporarily diverted the department's resources and prevented its attorneys from focusing on this earlier, he said.

A few weeks ago, some of the most senior members of Congress pressured the Justice Department to invoke a little-known law, the No Electronic Theft (NET) Act, against peer-to-peer users who swap files without permission.

Under the NET Act, signed by President Clinton in 1997, it is a federal crime to share copies of copyrighted products such as software, movies or music with anyone, even friends or family members, if the value of the work exceeds $1,000. Violations are punishable by one year in prison, or if the value tops $2,500, "not more than five years" in prison.

Cary Sherman, president of the Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), said his industry would "welcome" prosecutions that send a message to song-swappers.

"Some prosecutions that make that clear could be very helpful...I think they would think twice if they thought there was a risk of criminal prosecution," said Sherman, who was on the same conference panel.

Christopher Cookson, executive vice president of Warner Bros. and another panelist, said there was "a need for governments to step in and maintain order in society."

Swapping files in violation of the law has always been a civil offense, and the RIAA and the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) have the option of suing individual infringers and seeking damages.

But, Malcolm said, criminal prosecutions can be much more effective in intimidating file-swappers who have little assets at risk in a civil suit. "Civil remedies are not adequate...Law enforcement in that regard does have several advantages," Malcolm said. "We have the advantage, when appropriate, of opening up and conducting multi-jurisdictional and international investigations.

"Most parents would be horrified if they walked into a child's room and found 100 stolen CDs...However, these same parents think nothing of having their children spend time online downloading hundreds of songs without paying a dime."

Gary Shapiro, president of the Consumer Electronics Association, said he was skeptical about the view that peer-to-peer piracy should be a criminal offense. "If we have 70 million people in the United States who are breaking the law, we have a big issue."

The DOJ already has used the NET Act to imprison noncommercial software pirates, which software lobbyists hailed as "an important component of the overall effort to prevent software theft."

During his confirmation hearing in June 2001, Attorney General John Ashcroft told Congress that "given the fact that much of America's strength in the world economy is a result of our being the developer and promoter of most of the valuable software, we cannot allow the assets that are held electronically to be pirated or infringed. And so we will make a priority of cybercrime issues."

The letter from Congress complains of "a staggering increase in the amount of intellectual property pirated over the Internet through peer-to-peer systems." Signed by 19 members of Congress, including Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Del., Rep. James Sensenbrenner, R-Wis., and Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Ca., the letter urged Ashcroft "to prosecute individuals who intentionally allow mass copying from their computer over peer-to-peer networks."


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To: tdadams
Well, it seems everyone has learned well from the Democrats, if you want to steal from someone, you first demagogue them and then de-legitimize their rights.

Yes, and the recording industry's attacks on fair use have made it easy, just as Enron & Co. made attacks on Big Business easy.

Since I have a finite amount of energy, I prefer to expend it in the defense of people who do not insist upon self-destructing in a manner that inflicts collateral damage upon me.

81 posted on 08/22/2002 6:47:18 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: andy_card
Mrs. Andre Previn.

It just goes to show you that even the Bud Cort-looking, chubby guys who can score for the divas, can score with the divas.

82 posted on 08/22/2002 7:15:18 AM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: Leroy S. Mort
swapping illicit copies of music and movies is a criminal offense that can result in lengthy prison terms.

I think those morons should go after the real terrorists in Hollywood. File swapping? Yeah, right, they are not even exact copies but broken down mp3s. As for file swaping they should go after Holywood's ideas and file swaping with terrorist ideologies.

83 posted on 08/22/2002 7:17:21 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: steve-b
e.g. ripping of CDs to hard disk in order to convert them to MP3s

Either you're naive or being disingenuous. How many people ripping to MP3 are doing so only for their own use instead of file swapping? I've heard several kids bragging about copying their CDs and selling them to friends for two or three bucks. That's criminal and they ought to be prosecuted.

Should we do nothing and send the message to these kids that breaking the law isn't that serious and depriving someone of their rightful income is OK?

I have no problem with fair use provisions. I do have a problem with wanton copyright violation.

84 posted on 08/22/2002 7:20:18 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
How many people ripping to MP3 are doing so only for their own use instead of file swapping?

Numbers are irrelevant. I do, and that is sufficient to make any attempt to prevent it an unacceptable infringement upon my rights.

Really, I would have been glad to support copyright holders' legitimate efforts against bootleggers, but they insisted upon picking a fight with me. You'll understand if my reaction to their troubles is to do my impression of Rhett Butler's closing line.

85 posted on 08/22/2002 7:36:18 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: apillar
I think you're right. There's no way the feds can determine if mp.3s and divx's are legally owned anyway. Obtaining evidence against end users will be difficult at best, and convictions will be difficult.

1. The law is hazy. Say for instance, you purchase a CD, rip the songs to your computer, then sell or give away the CD. Since you made that copy for your own private use, the copy is legal. I do not think the law specifies whether it has to be destroyed or not.

2. Also, how are the feds going to get the evidence? There's no probable cause in seeing a teenager w/ an MP3 player.

3. With civil cases the legal standard is preponderance of evidence. Criminal cases require guilt beyond a resonable doubt. That reasonable doubt standard would make it very difficult for the feds to convict pirates.

Apillar, you are right on the money. Also, the RIAA SUX!!! :)
86 posted on 08/22/2002 7:37:57 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: tdadams
Since record companies are stealing from me, I have NO problem stealing from them. I know two wrongs don't make a right, but I figure I'm just evening the scales a bit. Is metallica's music really worth millions? Collusion is what causes high prices for entertainment. I think file sharing is just the market finding the correct price for entertainment.

Before the modern era, entertainers were not nearly the financial powerhouses that they are today. Their value is artificial.

87 posted on 08/22/2002 7:52:33 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: tdadams
I'm not employed by a record company and haven't been for nearly 10 years.

You consult for one. :)
88 posted on 08/22/2002 7:58:55 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: WindMinstrel
check out Freenet, the secure, anonymous, strongly-encrypted internet. It's free, it's peer-to-peer, and it works

The link doesnt work for me.

89 posted on 08/22/2002 8:01:36 AM PDT by Protagoras
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To: andy_card
I'm impressed... two classical music fans on one thread.
90 posted on 08/22/2002 8:03:10 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: jjm2111
Since record companies are stealing from me...(socialist/populist blather snipped)

Please tell me how record companies are stealing from you. Is someone forcing you to buy CDs against your will? I don't think so.

I'm still amazed that all the free market conservatives on FR turn into power-to-the-people populists with all the disturbing Democrat rhetoric when it comes to this issue.

91 posted on 08/22/2002 8:05:50 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: Leroy S. Mort
DOJ to prosecute file swappers

When I saw the headline I was hoping it meant the eminent arrest of Craig Livingston and Hillary!
92 posted on 08/22/2002 8:05:53 AM PDT by TC Rider
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To: hobbes1
.will imtitate Jimmy Buffet, and eschew the record companies altogether.

I think Buffet is a sucky musician, but GDAMN is he a shrewd, outstanding businessman.

93 posted on 08/22/2002 8:06:15 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost
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To: jjm2111
You consult for [a record company]

Wrong again, smarty.

94 posted on 08/22/2002 8:06:38 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
he's a musician? lol
95 posted on 08/22/2002 8:07:02 AM PDT by hobbes1
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To: ThomasJefferson
The link doesnt work for me.

Hrmm, looks like the server is messed up temporarily. I'm sure it'll be up soon. They host on Sourceforge, which is durned stable for the most part
96 posted on 08/22/2002 8:07:32 AM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: tdadams
But sad to say, experience has taught me that record companies are a necessary part of the equation.

Discussing the merits of the law on file swapping is one thing, but let's not be ridiculous here. There was music in this country before there were these huge record companies and the huge business it has become. The record companies have no basic right to exist anymore than any other business.

To use your terms, let's observe the law. Let the record companies use civil lawsuits to go after copyright violaters. That's their recourse.

97 posted on 08/22/2002 8:07:53 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: TC Rider
When I saw the headline I was hoping it meant the eminent arrest of Craig Livingston and Hillary!

Now that I would cheer about.

98 posted on 08/22/2002 8:08:52 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: hobbes1; Hemingway's Ghost; Neckbone
You may both pucker up and kiss my pimply white parrothead buttocks. Master Buffett is da man, as the kids are wont to say.
99 posted on 08/22/2002 8:09:13 AM PDT by WindMinstrel
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To: TC Rider
When I saw the headline I was hoping it meant the eminent arrest of Craig Livingston and Hillary!

ROTFLMAO

100 posted on 08/22/2002 8:09:17 AM PDT by Protagoras
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