I'll try to reply to your about me in a sane fassion....Simply because my comment was inflamatory. But, it's my honest opinion, just so you know.....
I let a LOT of this Ruby Ridge and Waco stuff pass simply because this is not my site. But, every once in a while I voice my opinion....
I am no disruptor....I have voted straight ticket Republican for 20 years and I don't see that ever changing. I am just tired of being associated with what I call "Whacked-Out Kooks". Or, anyone who supports the likes of the FREAKS at Waco (David Koresh and his Jim Jones Kool-Aid Drinking Death Cult Members) and Ruby Ridge.
I truely believe that if the dead people in these cases (Or in this case Randy Weaver) would have NOT been "Whacked-Out Kooks", they would be alive today. Therefore, it is THEIR fault that things turned-out badly for them. NOT the big bad mean government.
And believe me....Any "Disruptor" WOULDN'T come here and bash Weaver and Koresh fans. Simply becuse those kind of people both embarrass and hurt Republicans/Conservatives. Just like supporters of Cynthia McKinney hurt Democrats/Liberals because of their EXTREME views.
I hold these WHACKED-OUT KOOOKS in the same contempt that I do Cynthia McKinney. I am a Republican (More of a Republican than a Conservative, to be honest) and I am TIRED of being grouped with these people so once in a while, I speak up. There you have it.....Believe me or not....
There is part of your problem. Not every "R" is honorable and deserving of your vote.
"I am just tired of being associated with what I call "Whacked-Out Kooks". Or, anyone who supports the likes of the FREAKS at Waco (David Koresh and his Jim Jones Kool-Aid Drinking Death Cult Members) and Ruby Ridge."
Have you ever heard the statement: "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"? We advocate freedom on this site (well, some of us), and we are not out to kill those who are different. We are allowed to be KOOKS in this country as long as we do not hurt anyone else. Who was Weaver hurting? Also, this is the first time I've seen Jim Jones lumped in with the others. Jones group killed themselves. Kooks, and delusional for sure, but they killed themselves. It wasn't the government.
"I truely believe that if the dead people in these cases (Or in this case Randy Weaver) would have NOT been "Whacked-Out Kooks", they would be alive today. Therefore, it is THEIR fault that things turned-out badly for them. NOT the big bad mean government."
So if all just conform to little Johnny Shear's standards, we can all live happily ever after? You are the KOOK if you think that this is what this country is all about.
Now, either conform to the idea that it is okay to be different or go somewhere where everyone walks in lockstep. You will not find that here.
Sorry, Johnny, but if that's the best attempt you can make at a "sane" reply, you'd better give up.
I'm sure the Dimocrats have got a site where you'd be much happier. Or you could sit and wait for the UFO to come take you away...
In the meantime, you could see if you can find a book on grammar and spelling, and while away a few peaceful hours with it.
Yes, entrapment, having your family shot to pieces and your life destroyed is all appropriate if you don't think like Johnny Shear does.
The best response to you is, ESAD troll!
In fact, several posters took the time to give you a courteous debate.
You responded by shouting even more mindless invective and now you're on this thread doing likewise.
Be a sport and let the adults discuss the article in a civilized fashion.
Nobody ever displayed so much as a badge, let alone a warrant. Those to FedGov idiots had shot Mr. Weavers dog, and murdered his son with a taxpayer paid volley of automatic weapons fire in the back. Just for good measure, they cranked off a full magazine in the direction of his house and wounded a family friend for Gods sake.
Then boneheads like you want to fault Mr. Weaver for not leaving the cabin with his hands up! Hell, the only reason I would have left that cabin would be to pick the ***holes who had just murdered my son off one by one until they were out of rifle range.
Noone demanded that Weaver surrender until hours later when the FBI began rolling armored vehicles onto his property. Even then, noone bothered to inform him that there was a warrant out for his arrest. But, hey why sweat the details eh?
I mean the Feds had just stored up oodles of goodwill in their dealings with Mr. Weaver, hadn't they? Geez, they frigging lied to him every step of the way.
And once again, just for you Johny boy, a duly constituted Jury had the opportunity to convict Mr. Weaver of Capital Murder as well as multiple counts of conspiracy, and firearms violations. The Jury declined to do so on all counts, ruling that the killing of that Federal Goon Marshall was in fact a justifiable killing and that Mr. Weaver was not guilty of any, (that means none, zip, zilch, nada) responsibility in the death.
Now, you deal with that.
Federal Officials acting outside the law under false color of authority are fair game for killing by private citizens. The Supreme Court has already said so. See U.S. v. Cruikshank if you doubt me.
Now, you don't have to like it, but that's the way it is. The law on the matter is already settled.
Mr. Weavers political views are irrelevant to the situation.
There's also the small matter of the settlement paid to Mr. Weaver by Janet Renos Justice Department in order to settle a wrongful death suit. The Federal Government paid Mr. Weaver something on the order of 3 million dollars, without admitting any wrongdoing of course.
Now, you don't have to like Mr. Weavers political views. I don't like them either. That doesn't change the fact that that particular U.S. Marshall, on that particular day was legally responsible for his own death and had in fact murdered an innocent 12 year old boy.
Mr. Weaver would have been perfectly within his rights under Idaho law to hunt everyone involved down and kill them while they remained on his property.
Had the same thing happened to me and my family on my property under similar circumstances I assure you not one of them would have left my property alive while I was drawing breath.
You may be willing to tolerate unlawful behavior by Federal authorities including murder because you don't like the victims political views, but I am not.
Marshall Dugan is dead because on that particular day he was acting in not only an unlawful manner, but a particularly stupid unlawful manner.
Randy Weaver and his family weren't doing a damn thing wrong that day. The Federal Government was.
Deal with that.
L
The 24 children at Waco were "kooks", and therefore it is acceptable for the Dept of Justice to barbecue them after gassing them, despite the large number of inconsistencies in their stories, the lack of any evidence that drugs were being made or used, or that any crime was committed (other than a $200 fee not being paid)? You really should read up on that "Right to Life, Liberty..." stuff.
And you accuse others of whacked out kookery?
Regards
J.R.
I was a cop for thirty years and I dealt with many "whacked out" folks and didn't shoot any of them. There is a time and a place for killing, and popping that unarmed, baby carrying mom wasn't one of them. Any sniper worth a shit is going to know what he is shooting at, and that sniper had to have known that he was killing an unarmed, baby carrying female. That is UNACCEPTABLE!!! We aren't talking about some surprised street cop having 1/6th of a second to make a shoot/don't shoot decision in crappy lighting. We are talking about a calculated, measured, time to think about it, shot.
I agree these people were government hating kooks, but I also think shooting the kid and the wife was out of line.