Leftist Camille Paglia: Support Israel!

CAMILLE RETURNS: In her inimitable style, Camille Paglia set about answering your questions but managed to produce 1500 words for the first one. So here's our second Camille installment. She's indicated that perhaps later this year, we might send her some questions again. Here's the question and answer. As to me, I'm still in the hammock, having a wonderful August. See you after Labor Day.

I am interested by what Camille has to say regarding the Palestine-Israel situation. Her past viewpoint in Salon has been that the U.S. has an obligation to support a democratic state like Israel, but yet at the same time she seemed largely sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. The following is an excerpt from her October 21, 2000 article in Salon: Many Americans, myself included, have wondered for years why our safety and security are compromised by an inflexible foreign policy that has set the entire Muslim world against us. From the 1988 destruction of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, to the 1993 bombing of New York's World Trade Center, the American mainstream media has been in denial, blaming those heinous acts of terrorism on small cadres of madmen funded by outlaw regimes -- as if the attacks were unrelated to decisions made in Washington. The U.S. is rightly seen by Arabs as the principal guarantor of Israel's military might, which Americans have underwritten with billions of tax dollars for which there are pressing domestic needs. The media rarely allow Arab views to be heard unfiltered and unframed, and too often, Arabs are portrayed as irrational or medieval, clamoring cartoon figures of no interest until they begin to adopt Western ways. I nearly always agree with Camille's political viewpoints, but this one stumped me.

Thank you for that excerpt from my Salon column - written ten months before the attacks on the World Trade Center. Quite frankly, reading it now sends a chill through me. I warned again and again in Salon about the dangerous insularity of American culture, which was worsened by the tilt of the Clinton administration toward p.c. domestic issues and away from world affairs. (I speak as a disillusioned Democrat who voted for Bill Clinton twice.)

The abject failure of the major media to pursue the issue of terrorism in the years following the 1993 World Trade Center bombing will live in infamy. I blame the media as well as the superstructure of the Democratic party for the appalling delusionalism of the Monica Lewinsky episode, which began in 1998 and consumed the news for two years.

I have not changed my position, as repeatedly expressed in Salon: first, any politician has the right to a randy private life, but it should not be conducted on government property, especially not in revered public space like the White House. Second, any politician who has disgraced his office and his family should resign as an act of honor.

When the Lewinsky scandal broke, Democrat big wigs should have muscled Clinton out the door and let Al Gore assume the presidency. The nation would have been spared the obsessive distraction of the Lewinsky affair - with its incompetent, foot-dragging, whey-faced wimp of an independent counsel (Ken Starr) and its clumsy, self-infatuated buttinski of a Speaker of the House (Newt Gingrich), who shot the entire Republican party in the ass by putting the sex-suffused Starr Report onto the Internet. That one dumb act guaranteed Clinton's survival: it repolarized the nation into the tired old drama of prudes versus hipsters.

Had Gore taken power, he would have grown in office and, with his military background, probably paid far more attention to geopolitical tensions. I believe that, had Gore replaced a dethroned Clinton in 1998, this nation might well have avoided the unspeakable horror of last year's attack on the World Trade Center.

Instead, Gore was left to dwindle down in his unproductive and scandal-ridden vice-presidency until the 2000 campaign, when he went through more silly metamorphoses than a Bloomingdale's mannequin. The Gore campaign specialized in hurricanes of patronizing demagoguery and flatulence. I began 2000 eagerly waiting to vote for Gore; I ended it by voting in protest for Ralph Nader. (And Nader will get my vote again in 2004 if the Democrats don't come up with a viable, ethical candidate.)

The Arab-American Nader (his parents were born in Lebanon) brings us back to the main body of your question. I do believe that the Palestinians have been treated atrociously--brushed aside by European superpowers carving up the Ottoman Empire after World War One and again by the United Nations after World War Two. I find specious the common argument that Arab states are to blame for not resettling dispossessed Palestinian refugees after the creation of Israel.

Though Italian Catholicism is my cultural heritage, I am an atheist who passionately identifies with ancient Mediterranean paganism. Since I am not a Christian, I have little interest in the sacred sites of Jerusalem, aside from their archaeology. (I subscribe to Biblical Archaeology magazine, in fact.) That detachment from the religious basis of Judeo-Christianity also means I do not understand the rationale for Zionism. By the same logic, my people, descended from fierce Volscian tribesmen, could lay claim to most of the region between Rome and Naples.

As a student of ancient history, I also know that the Mideast (except when under an imperial thumb) has always been boiling with ethnic and religious rivalries, leading to endless wars and slaughter. The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is just the latest episode in this saga. I used to feel that the establishment of a Palestinian state would bring some resolution, though it might still take two or three generations for hatreds to subside.

After last year's attack on the World Trade Center, however, I'm no longer as optimistic. The total destruction (within 90 minutes) of such major symbols of Western economic power has certainly emboldened the most fanatical Muslims around the world to dream that Western culture, like imperial Rome, can indeed be brought down, along with its client state, Israel, whose military is subsidized by American taxpayers.

Over a decade ago, I began arguing for a global core curriculum - an education based on world religions (which I respect and admire as profound symbol systems far more complex than poststructuralism). Mutual understanding, I hoped, would be a basis for world peace. I proposed that Hinduism and Buddhism be taught and that the Koran, as well as the Bible, be made central texts in public schools. (Without the Bible - unrivalled for the quantity and quality of its poetry - students cannot comprehend great Western literature and art from the Middle Ages on.)

Hence I was surprised and alarmed by the reluctance of moderate Muslims to make their presence consistently felt in the period (now almost a year) since 9-11. At first I disdainfully rejected the idea that we are engaged in a global clash of civilizations - Islam versus the West. It seemed impossible and medieval. I saw Arab culture as richly informed by its brilliant past, with its interplay between Bedouin stoicism and Moorish cultivation.

But as a chain of suicide bombers steadily blew up buses and restaurants in Israel over the past year, my sympathy for the Palestinian cause has gradually diminished. War, declared or undeclared, justifies attacks on military targets. But the massacre of civilians - in the World Trade Center or at a Jerusalem market - is barbarism. What kind of state could be formed by people who tolerate and cheer such atrocities? When moderate factions are so feeble, who can believe that a Palestinian state would not be the staging area for missile attacks on Israel?

My reading of history - based on the rise and fall of Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Rome, and Byzantium - is that the world has embarked on a long period of uncertainty, a century or more of grotesque contrasts. There will be years, even decades of Western affluence and peace, then scattered outbreaks of violence and chaos, put down by assertions of military and police power, verging on the fascist. Should there be severe climatic shifts affecting food production (a subject I harped on in my Salon column), the world economy would be destabilized, and complex societies would unravel.

The hopes of my 1960s generation for a progressive, ethical politics have been dashed. We're back to realpolitik--which requires the mind and not the heart. No matter what the flaws and misjudgments of the Israeli government (including its winking enabling of settlements in Palestinian territory), the West has common cause with Israel. World Islam, it has become clear, is a totalizing creed that, whatever its spiritual beauties, invades politics and stifles dissent.

Europeans find it difficult to understand the intricate interconnection of American politics with Israel. Indeed, over the past three decades, there has been an intensification of simmering resentments among working-class African-Americans about what is perceived as Jewish power in media and business. This should have been more directly addressed in the 1980s, when members of the black Nation of Islam were blocked from appearing on American campuses. That decade's speech codes (banning "offensive" speech) proved foolishly counterproductive in this case, since it allowed anti-Semitic ideas and outright myths to spread unchecked under the national radar screen.

Since 9-11, vastly more open debate about Israel, pro and con, has been permitted in the American mainstream media. Unfortunately, a strident polarization, close to hysteria, has also developed. Support of Israel on the far right sometimes blurs into religious and therefore undemocratic presumptions - the fundamentalist view that the Christian shrines of the Holy Land must be kept out of Muslim hands.

Before 9-11, even faint criticism of the Israeli government could provoke baseless charges of anti-Semitism. But real anti-Semitism has now emerged or rather reemerged as a powerful, irrational force in Europe. Aside from overt terrorist attacks, nothing more dangerous has reared its head since the end of the Cold War. The Arab states, riddled with bureaucratic corruption, have not shown they can control or contain the fanatics in their midst bent on the West's destruction. If Europeans, along with the pro-Palestinian U.N. establishment, continue to undermine Israel, the next generation, or the one after it, will reap the whirlwind.

Not all Jews endorse the expansionist policies of the current Israeli leadership; on the contrary, Jewish leftists around the world generally support the Palestinians. But the cruel suicide bombings in Israel, along with the revival of European anti-Semitism, have forced distant observers to choose. Because of my own massive lifelong influence by Jewish-American culture - in the arts, media, and entertainment industry as well as law, science, and medicine - I have concluded that, for me, only one moral imperative is possible: to support Israel.

Nice post. Camille is no intellectual slouch. She has some crummy, creepy ideas (Ralph Nader?) but many, many good ones as well, not the least of which is seeing through the BS of clinton. Yup, Islam wants to take over the world and stifle freedom of speech, thought and worship. Camille is smart enough to see that, and sees Israel as America's proxy in this fight of global dimensions (just as the forces of darkness see the palis as their proxy). And Camille, after some intellectual tricks on the high wire, comes down in one piece, with the right answers and some pretty good arguments. She got the right message from 9/11, which is that Islam is *not* a relgion of peace.

She's definitley leftsist. This piece was drenched in it.

She's no fallaci. And is obvioulsy quite mixed up. Happens to liberals when their cherished dream world beliefs fall apart.

She's a leftist with a conscience and with integrity, I think that's what threw you off. We're used to Carville leftists. I like her work, though she and I would mostly disagree.

I find specious the common argument that Arab states are to blame for not resettling dispossessed Palestinian refugees after the creation of Israel.

What she did not address is the other part of argument: Arab states, which incite and reward Palestinian terrorism, have yet to provide ANY REAL humanitarian aid to them, whatsoever, much less resettle them.

Camille is a smart woman, damn smart, but statements like the one above go to show that even brilliant people think with their butts occasionally.

Though Italian Catholicism is my cultural heritage, I am an atheist who passionately identifies with ancient Mediterranean paganism.

...And sets about proving her moral idiocy with this ridiculous diatribe.

"Gore...with his military background...."

Oh, Brother....

If Gore would have been president, 9/11 wouldn't have happened? I don't think so. Gore would have continued on the same path that Clinton was on, in regards to the military and foreign policy. Gore is cut of the same mold as Clinton is: power hungry grifters. The one area they differ in is their sex lives, Gore is faithful to Tipper, Clinton will, well, let's just say Clinton doesn't obey his wedding vows.

(I subscribe to Biblical Archaeology magazine, in fact.)

I thought that was funny. Ha!!!! I mean . . . SO WHAT?

What, Gore was a Senator's son in Vietnam for 6 months. Bush became a jet fighter pilot, a far more difficult and disciplined than algore.

Al's patrolling the elephant grass, while trying to shoot himself in the head. Kid, you'll shoot your eye out!

From her previious interview with A. Sulivan: "As for the bitterness and hysteria I spoke of, I was mainly referring to the degeneration of discourse on TV and radio talk shows. Political positions have rabidly repolarized, and gradations of opinion have vanished. I loathe this trend of anointing partisan campaign consultants to host news shows. Hence two programs I used to watch - ABC's This Week and CNN's Crossfire - have dropped off the map for me. I wouldn't waste two seconds listening to that unctuous socialite, George Stephanopolous, or Paul Begala, a yapping mongoose with the ethical sense of a stone."

I've always liked C.Paglia for her forthright fearlessness and her wonderful ability to skewer leftists and their shibboleths.

"Had Gore taken power, he would have grown in office and, with his military background"
Military background my ass!
Was it a full 6 mo ?
And an early out to go to school ¿?

"I'm glad she's come around on her views on the Palestinian issue."

It takes an honest and intelligent person to admit one has been wrong about an important issue.

Camille once again proves her honesty and intelligence with the about face on Israel-Palestine.

There are quite a few issues that I disagree with Ms. Paglia on. But I have always respected her opinion and her intellect. As in:

"The hopes of my 1960s generation for a progressive, ethical politics have been dashed. We're back to realpolitik--which requires the mind and not the heart."

Yes, Camille is an honest liberal. I disagree with her on some issues, but she seems to debate the issues and not get nasty when things don't go her way. And she can sure skewer people.

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