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Cobb Mulls Teaching Evolution Alternatives
Atlanta Journal-Constitution ^ | 08/15/02 | Mary MacDonald

Posted on 08/15/2002 12:07:39 PM PDT by gdani

Cobb mulls teaching evolution alternatives

By Mary MacDonald
Atlanta Journal-Constitution Staff Writer

Evolution may be on the way out as the only theory on the origin of life taught in Cobb County's schools.

The school board is considering a policy that would allow science teachers to introduce alternative theories on the beginnings of life, including what one board member called "scientific creationism."

All students in Cobb high schools already have biology texts that carry disclaimers saying biological evolution is theory, not fact. Now several board members say they are responding to parent and community pressure and want the district to start teaching alternative ideas in science class. The board unanimously asked its attorney Wednesday to craft a policy that keeps the district within legal bounds.

"The courts allow for multiple teachings," said board member Lindsey Tippins. "We need to put that in our policy and allow that in our classrooms." Scientific creationism, Tippins said, is the idea that life has evolved not through happenstance, but in a purposeful way. What distinguishes scientific creationism from creationism?

"I don't know that it is any different, to be honest," he said.

The possibility of religious-based ideas being introduced to students as scientific theory angers biologists, who say students need a better grounding.

"It's putting creationism and religion into the science classroom," said Ron Matson, assistant chairman of the department of biological and physical science at Kennesaw State. "They are clouding the issue as to what science is and what it is not. You cannot scientifically disprove that God did something."

The issue that has divided Americans since 1925, when John Scopes was tried in Tennessee for teaching Charles Darwin's theory of evolution, arose in Cobb this spring.

As the district prepared to upgrade its science and health texts for the first time in seven years, several dozen parents opposed to biological evolution urged the board to reject three biology texts.

The books emphasize Darwin's theory, which holds that all living things developed from earlier forms through slight variations over time and that natural selection determines which species survive.

Parents advocated the teaching of alternative theories, including "intelligent design," which holds that the variety of life on Earth results from a purposeful design, rather than random mutation, and that a higher intelligence guides the process.

The school board responded by keeping the biology textbooks but approving an insert that says: "This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered."

The response only partly satisfied some parents, who wanted at a minimum what the board is now considering -- allowing teachers to explore controversies surrounding evolution.

Public schools are prohibited from teaching creationism as a theory on the origin of man, said board attorney Glenn Brock, because it is based in religious belief.

But he and some Cobb board members say alternative theories can be introduced in class, and the debate covered as long as a particular religious position is not advanced.

The district's policy should reflect community standards, said board Chairman Curt Johnston. And in the past several months, he's heard more from the anti-evolution side.

"The policy we develop should be a reflection of the community standards, and what people feel is fair and reasonable in teaching theories," Johnston said. "The people on the creation side of the debate have been getting better at making their case in a scientific fashion."

Board member Teresa Plenge agreed. "There is validity in creation science theory as well. Both should be presented."

Board member Laura Searcy said the district needs to determine if the alternative theories are science-based.

"Science ought to be taught in school," she said. "Religion ought to be taught at home. The conflict comes in what is valid science."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: creation; creationism; darwin; evolution
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I dunno.....it just seemed like a slow day so I thought I'd rile everyone up.
1 posted on 08/15/2002 12:07:39 PM PDT by gdani
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2 posted on 08/15/2002 12:21:25 PM PDT by Squawk 8888
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Huge can of worms, which of the many creation myths are they going to teach, all of them perhaps? Genesis? Utnapishtin? Dogon Tribe? Azteca? Paganism?

Careful what you wish for...

3 posted on 08/15/2002 12:35:47 PM PDT by Paradox
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4 posted on 08/15/2002 12:48:13 PM PDT by Diverdogz
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>>>The school board responded by keeping the biology textbooks but approving an insert that says: "This textbook contains material on evolution. Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered."<<<

Unless the school board approved similar inserts addressing every scientific theory that the school touches upon during the course of the year, I'd be willing to bet this is unconstitutional. My reading of the higher courts' creationism cases is that singling something out for criticism because it appears to contradict a particular religious viewpoint is the equivalent of identifying with that religion and thus a violation of the establishment clause. Anybody else have any thoughts?

5 posted on 08/15/2002 12:59:39 PM PDT by Iota
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What distinguishes scientific creationism from creationism?

"I don't know that it is any different, to be honest," he said.


That's a good question.
6 posted on 08/15/2002 1:03:12 PM PDT by BikerNYC
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To: Iota
"Intelligent Design" is not associated with any religion or doctrine.
7 posted on 08/15/2002 1:07:14 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: gdani
For the discussion, here's a set of diagrams to compare the Darwinian predictions to natural history concerning the origin of phyla (body plans.)
8 posted on 08/15/2002 1:10:14 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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.....I'd be willing to bet this is unconstitutional. My reading of the higher courts' creationism cases is that singling something out for criticism because it appears to contradict a particular religious viewpoint is the equivalent of identifying with that religion and thus a violation of the establishment clause. Anybody else have any thoughts?

From memory, I don't believe that the U.S. Supreme Court has ever addressed that topic (criticism of evolution akin to establishing a religious viewpoint). Their ruling in Edwards vs. Aguillard addressed the teaching of creationism as a whole.

It's possible that lower federal courts and/or state courts have tackled that issue however.

9 posted on 08/15/2002 1:11:25 PM PDT by gdani
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Huge can of worms, which of the many creation myths are they going to teach, all of them perhaps? Genesis? Utnapishtin? Dogon Tribe? Azteca? Paganism?

ROMANS 1 [20] Ever since the creation of the world his invisible nature, namely, his eternal power and deity, has been clearly perceived in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse; [21] for although they knew God they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their senseless minds were darkened.

Since over 95% of the country is Judeo-Christian maybe we should stick with teaching intelligent design from that perspective.

10 posted on 08/15/2002 1:12:07 PM PDT by lideric
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"Intelligent Design" is not associated with any religion or doctrine.

But someone or something must be responsible for the intelligent design, correct?

11 posted on 08/15/2002 1:13:15 PM PDT by gdani
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Indeed, but the theorists don't specific whether the designer is God, a particular religion's diety, alien species, etc. - only that the evidence points to an intelligent design.
12 posted on 08/15/2002 1:15:48 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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Since over 95% of the country is Judeo-Christian maybe we should stick with teaching intelligent design from that perspective

That's assuming that all Christians think in lock-step uniformity about the issue of creationism or intelligent design.

As with just about every other religion, you can't even get Christians to agree on what it means to be "Christian". Hence the need for Southern Baptists, Presbyterians, Roman Catholics, Lutherans, Seventh Day Adventists, Pentecostals, United Church of Christ, etc.

13 posted on 08/15/2002 1:17:41 PM PDT by gdani
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Is that me in the second row?
14 posted on 08/15/2002 1:18:39 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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I'll help you rile everyone up.

Every class that teaches on the origins of the universe, or life, or species, should begin with this disclamer:

Class, we're now going to talk about origins. Now, science is based upon observations and obviously nobody has observed the origin of the universe, the origin of life, or the origin of a new species (change when that last becomes untrue). On the other hand, we have observed many things which may be extrapolated back in time to explain origins. As we discuss this subject I will be very clear as to what is observed and what is extrapolated and why scientists believe the extrapolation is valid. You may find, when we are done, that the subject has raised more questions than answers. In my opinion, that is good science.

Comments?

Shalom.

15 posted on 08/15/2002 1:19:39 PM PDT by ArGee
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As with just about every other religion, you can't even get Christians to agree on what it means to be "Christian".

If you leave out the LDS we agree on the specification, but not on the implementation.

Shalom.

16 posted on 08/15/2002 1:29:59 PM PDT by ArGee
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dittoes - there are essentials of the faith that are agreed to by evangelicals. Those same essentials are denied by liberals who go so far as to say there is no God, no resurrection, and the Bible is fables concocted by men. Where evangelicals differ are in the non-essentials: style of worship, organization of the church, what day of the week to worship on, the millennium is before or after the Second Coming or the Rapture. These are incidentals...the basics are the same.

Name for me any group, religious or otherwise, that has unanimity.

Most of us agree, however: "Jesus is Lord."

17 posted on 08/15/2002 1:43:36 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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obviously nobody has observed the origin of the universe, the origin of life, or the origin of a new species (change when that last becomes untrue).

Of course, that last has become untrue. And even Answers in Genesis agrees that speciation happens.

18 posted on 08/15/2002 2:02:22 PM PDT by jennyp
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Since over 95% of the country is Judeo-Christian maybe we should stick with teaching intelligent design from that perspective.

I dont see why, if you are going to teach Genesis, that you shouldn't teach all the others, given equal scientific validity. A persons religious background shouldn't matter, unless its a parochial school.

19 posted on 08/15/2002 10:20:51 PM PDT by Paradox
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Ahh. Kennesaw, Georgia. Home of some of the smartest firearms laws in the country!

 

 

"The second amendment isn't about duck hunting anymore than the first amendment is about playing Scrabble." --Henry Bowman

 

20 posted on 08/15/2002 10:27:09 PM PDT by RandallFlagg
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