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The disunited states
Townhall.com ^ | August 15, 2002 | Cal Thomas

Posted on 08/15/2002 11:23:35 AM PDT by gubamyster

August 15, 2002

As more information from the 2000 Census is released, it's increasingly clear that this is not our parents' country. Ethically, it stopped being their country in the 1960s. Ethnically, it now resembles not a united nation, but a United Nations, with divisions along class, racial, religious, language and ideological lines. Our national motto, E pluribus unum ("out of many, one,") no longer applies.

Census figures show that one out of every nine residents is now foreign-born. The response from politicians? Many are signing up for Spanish lessons. They should be telling immigrants to sign up for English lessons.

Yes, we are a nation of immigrants. There is a difference, however, between the way immigrants were treated a century ago during the Great Wave, and how they are treated today.

Then, they were expected to become part of America, which included speaking our language, knowing our history and respecting our traditions. Now, they are allowed -- indeed, encouraged -- to remain who they are and not bother to learn English or care about American history. Then, we sought to make Americans of immigrants. Today, we hyphenate their citizenship and tell them they may continue to bear allegiance to other countries and causes.

Here are only a few examples of how bad the situation has become: The safety video on the Delta Shuttle between Washington and New York is delivered in both Spanish and English; this November, Denver and several other Colorado counties designated as bilingual counties must print election ballots in English and Spanish; the Department of Justice has ordered Harris County, Texas (which encompasses Houston) to start providing ballots and voting materials in Vietnamese.

Part of the reason for this forming of a less perfect union is that we are no longer sure of ourselves. Embarrassed by our success and riches, we think we're doing the world a favor by engaging in self-flagellation, refusing to repeat for the next generation what was handed to us by the previous one.

A Texas schoolteacher wrote to express his frustration:

"We were raised with 'ultimate consequences' which would dictate punishment when there was no discipline ('When your father gets home...,' 'Your mother wouldn't approve of this...')," he noted. "Now, it's a question of how people can beat the law, rather than uphold it." This especially applies to those immigrants who have seen that if they can get to America illegally, their chances are good of winning amnesty and remaining in this country.

King Solomon warned: "Where there is no vision, the people cast off restraint" (Proverbs 29:18). The casting off of restraint is what characterizes us now, from corporate boardrooms to private bedrooms. If immigrants know only how to get here and do not learn what made America so attractive to them, they will live by their own standards, just as we who were born here are doing in increasing numbers, further undermining our strength and cohesiveness.

In his 1992 book, "The Tyranny of Change: America in the Progressive Era: 1890-1920," John Whiteclay Chambers wrote of the great immigration wave of a century ago, noting that a majority of arrivals in this country never intended to stay. Many hoped that "after a few years of work, they could save enough money to return home to an improved position for themselves and their families."

"Although the majority of new immigrants permanently settled in America, a significant number left (with a departure rate of 35 percent for Croatians, Poles, Serbs and Slovenes; 40 percent for Greeks; and more than 50 percent for Hungarians, Slovaks and Italians; the rate among Asian immigrants was much higher, more than two-thirds)," Chambers wrote. Today the departure rate is only about 15 percent and anyone who gets here, even illegally, can now expect his or relatives to legally follow.

Many of those who stayed a century ago had poor skills and became part of large ghettos in major urban areas, where poverty continues to drain human and financial resources. The 1990 Census indicated that ethnic enclaves were huge and growing. In the city of Miami today, about half of the population speaks English poorly or not at all, new census figures show, and 74 percent of residents speak a language other than English at home.

A source for additional facts about how we have failed to assimilate immigrants can be found on the Web page of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (www.fairus.org/).

It would help if we would re-discover what once was considered "self-evident" truths about America, disdaining relativity. If we can't do that for those already here, we will be of no use to current and future immigrants and cannot sustain ourselves as the United States.


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To: pittsburgh gop guy
Furthermore, aren't you playing "eugenics" with your desire of third world immigration? It's all the way that you look at it.
61 posted on 08/15/2002 10:08:01 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: FreedomFriend
The strongest culture survives. Sounds like you are really afraid of immigrants, must be personal. Do you know any or have interaction with any? They are not all bad people you know - most of them work far harder than most native-born Americans. Do you let your kids play with immigrant kids? Are any in your church?

There is no bottom to the melting pot - and freedom is not an item that is scarce in America. I would say the more that enjoy it, the more of it there is.
62 posted on 08/15/2002 10:11:50 PM PDT by pittsburgh gop guy
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
This, coming from a guy in Pittsburgh? Come on. Pittsburgh is a city that has seen very little third world immigration. Until you've seen the barrios going up, you really don't understand it.
63 posted on 08/15/2002 10:19:11 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
As for your direct questions. In regard to my church, I know that we have a couple of relatively recently emigrated African families (like within the past five years). Other than that, everyone is a native-born citizen.

As far as my children go, I can't answer that, for I don't have any at this stage in my life. However, when I do have children, they can play with anyone they choose. I do not discriminate, and I wouldn't teach my kids to, either. What I would most worry about is if some liberal is trying to brainwash them, or if people are trying to tell them that homosexuality is okay and that we evolved from apes.

64 posted on 08/15/2002 10:28:05 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: gubamyster
Back in the 60s people who were illegal went out of their way to make sure that they weren't identified as being in this country illegally. That doesn't happen anymore. It used to be if you got picked up by the police and it was suspected that you didn't belong here you were turned over to the INS and deported. That doesn't happen anymore. All of these policies had an effect on assimilation. You learned English because you wanted to pass as an American national. Now that isn't the case. I read articles all the time in the papers items referencing individuals by name who everyone knows are not in this country legally. And appears the individuals care about their identity being identified. This again wasn't ever the case. You drive down certain roads in California and there's day laborers all over the place. If the country was interested in controlling illegal immigration all they would have to do is ask some of them for green cards or identification and arrest them and turn them over to the INS for deportation. Everyone knows they're there. They have law enforcement in some jurisdiction requesting the permission to inforce immigration laws. Why is that, isn't the law that all citizens including police officers who witness or suspect someone guilty of violating the law should make an arrest. The powers that be could easily eliminate illegal immigration in this country. But they won't. And they only will, when the people rise up and demand it.
65 posted on 08/15/2002 10:46:49 PM PDT by Coeur de Lion
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To: Mudboy Slim
"...foreign-born Americans are not nearly the problem that native-born Lib'rals are..."

Eighteenth letter of the Greek alphabet my man, Sigma.
Lib'rals are merely a coalition of indiviual specialty *groups*; who're, often polarized amoung themselves.
Lib-rals then are a sum of their parts.

...& this is one very, large part, in the making.

66 posted on 08/16/2002 3:57:19 AM PDT by Landru
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To: ecomcon
For instance, when people speak spanish or another language in your presence, say "don't you know it's rude to speak a foreign language in front of someone that doesn't understand it? It's like whispering secrets". Or something to that effect.
HA! I've got one better. A Mexican man in a convenience store spoke disparagingly to a young woman thinking that neither she or anyone else would know what he was saying.
I promptly, in Spanish, told him to shut his mouth, told him what he said and then told him that all Americans weren't monolingual.

The expression on his face was priceless! His jaw could've been used for a dustpan. A Spanish speaking Gringo! I'm sure he was taught that there was no such thing.

67 posted on 08/16/2002 4:09:22 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: gubamyster
bump
68 posted on 08/16/2002 5:17:35 AM PDT by 1234
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To: Johnny Shear
My father, one of the most racist pigs I've ever known

Anybody who will come onto a public forum and say something like this to total strangers about his own father is an imbecile. Why don't you take your dimwitted liberal ideas back to DU where you came from?

69 posted on 08/16/2002 7:30:08 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: biffalobull
I would understand it perfectly, and expect no less, especially if I were looking at that person.
70 posted on 08/16/2002 7:32:58 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: AM2000
this white guy fishing on it.. dressed in camouflage gear with a swastika tatooed on his biceps

If you had left this part out, someone might have believed your little work of fiction.

71 posted on 08/16/2002 7:47:47 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: It'salmosttolate; Poohbah; Mudboy Slim
Wooohoooo....LOL! It's a bit early to be tweakin' on the meds, dontchathink? btw-I just changed my screen name to "theyrecomminfurme", but feel the name will surely bring the black helicopters to my door.

(checking day of week...picking out color coded foil hat...typing from within a bubble suit....wisdom teeth lay in front of the monitor...am I forgetting anything???must remember to chew food thoroughly, breath, breath, breath)
72 posted on 08/16/2002 7:53:12 AM PDT by Freemeorkillme
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
I didn't decide: my mother is from Germany and married my American father who was over there in the Air Force

Then you aren't a "first generation American", Einstein.

Guess what - unless you are American-Indian, your kin-folk probably came off some boat on our shores within the last couple of hundred years. I worry more about people who are anti-immigration that I do about hard-working immigrants.

Guess what - that isn't the subject under discussion here. If you can't keep up, keep quiet. Sheesh.

73 posted on 08/16/2002 7:55:15 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: Freemeorkillme
Previous post in reference to post #31 directed towards "theskyisfalling".
74 posted on 08/16/2002 7:56:18 AM PDT by Freemeorkillme
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To: Freemeorkillme
"The world is FLAT." ---Remember that one?

That stupid Columbus. Look at him on that boat with the Tin Foil Hat on.

75 posted on 08/16/2002 8:03:18 AM PDT by It'salmosttolate
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
Neocon money guy. Nice arguments for the liberals. Your arguments are pure liberal shell gamesmanship. We need the illegal immigrants for our own version of slave labor, right here in the United States. Illegals are good for the bottom line. A pragmatic, selfish, cynical, short term view, and without wisdom.

You disrespect the illegals because in your system, immigrants are automatically bottom rung strawberry pickers. You disrespect native born teenagers and others by demeaning hard labor. One of the reasons the teenagers of this countries' "white" people are so soft and lazy and morally lost is that they haven't had to do any type of this hard labor. It is "beneath them" to work hard for $5.75 an hour.

You disrespect the laws of this country by allowing that if an immigrant can simply break the law for 10 years or more, then they will have "earned" thier freedom from indentured servitude and recieve an "amnesty". Cynical and hypocritical.

It is the American culture and value system that is being displaced and forgotten. That is what this issue is about. Not how much a company's profit can be increased in order to make wall street happy, and thereby funding all the hippies' 401k plans. But I digress.

76 posted on 08/16/2002 8:17:35 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: Twodees
Anybody who will come onto a public forum and say something like this to total strangers about his own father is an imbecile. Why don't you take your dimwitted liberal ideas back to DU where you came from?

Twodees...You little pansy. You need to stop your whining and crying if you're going to accuse others of being liberal DUhhhhhh members.

Strangers or not....My own father or not.....He's been my most extensive experience with a racist. I use his examples quite often. Deal with it.

77 posted on 08/16/2002 8:36:47 AM PDT by Johnny Shear
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To: gubamyster
"...Part of the reason for this forming of a less perfect union is that we are no longer sure of ourselves..."
And in other 'Clinton Socialist News',here's the
CHILLING QUOTE FOR THE DAY :
The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism,
but under the name of Liberalism
they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist Program
until one day America will be a Socialist Nation
without ever knowing how it happened----

(Who on earth would publicly utter say such a thing?)
Norman Thomas, six-time Socialist Party presidential candidate
and one of the founders of the ACLU.

Please ponder what you, as an individual can do,(even in a small way) to stop this from happening.

78 posted on 08/16/2002 8:40:18 AM PDT by Pagey
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To: FITZ
I read Spanish pretty well. I speak Spanish poorly, but can make myself understood. While I think Spanish is somewhat inferior to English, as a language, Spanish isn't the point. Having a more unified, common American culture is. People from Mexico are socialist and nationalist in their thinking. There has to be major instruction in the American system of government. There has to be assimilation.

Rhetorically, I'd like you to tell me why I can speak better Spanish after 6 months of casual study than a co-worker of mine speaks English after having lived in this country for 15 years. The answer is they don't have to.

79 posted on 08/16/2002 9:00:32 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: Freemeorkillme
Do you deny the fact that Christ will return, or that a world government will take place? In fact, I tend to believe that what we're now seeing could very well be the creation of this government.

Your comments of "tin foil hat" portray nothing more than individual who is unwilling to look at the events of the day and see that, for the most part, our government has become and is becoming more illegitimate every day.

However, I hope you don't share the same type of view that FEMA portrays. That is, they call Christians and Constitutionalists terrorists.

80 posted on 08/16/2002 9:04:43 AM PDT by FreedomFriend
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