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The disunited states
Townhall.com ^ | August 15, 2002 | Cal Thomas

Posted on 08/15/2002 11:23:35 AM PDT by gubamyster

August 15, 2002

As more information from the 2000 Census is released, it's increasingly clear that this is not our parents' country. Ethically, it stopped being their country in the 1960s. Ethnically, it now resembles not a united nation, but a United Nations, with divisions along class, racial, religious, language and ideological lines. Our national motto, E pluribus unum ("out of many, one,") no longer applies.

Census figures show that one out of every nine residents is now foreign-born. The response from politicians? Many are signing up for Spanish lessons. They should be telling immigrants to sign up for English lessons.

Yes, we are a nation of immigrants. There is a difference, however, between the way immigrants were treated a century ago during the Great Wave, and how they are treated today.

Then, they were expected to become part of America, which included speaking our language, knowing our history and respecting our traditions. Now, they are allowed -- indeed, encouraged -- to remain who they are and not bother to learn English or care about American history. Then, we sought to make Americans of immigrants. Today, we hyphenate their citizenship and tell them they may continue to bear allegiance to other countries and causes.

Here are only a few examples of how bad the situation has become: The safety video on the Delta Shuttle between Washington and New York is delivered in both Spanish and English; this November, Denver and several other Colorado counties designated as bilingual counties must print election ballots in English and Spanish; the Department of Justice has ordered Harris County, Texas (which encompasses Houston) to start providing ballots and voting materials in Vietnamese.

Part of the reason for this forming of a less perfect union is that we are no longer sure of ourselves. Embarrassed by our success and riches, we think we're doing the world a favor by engaging in self-flagellation, refusing to repeat for the next generation what was handed to us by the previous one.

A Texas schoolteacher wrote to express his frustration:

"We were raised with 'ultimate consequences' which would dictate punishment when there was no discipline ('When your father gets home...,' 'Your mother wouldn't approve of this...')," he noted. "Now, it's a question of how people can beat the law, rather than uphold it." This especially applies to those immigrants who have seen that if they can get to America illegally, their chances are good of winning amnesty and remaining in this country.

King Solomon warned: "Where there is no vision, the people cast off restraint" (Proverbs 29:18). The casting off of restraint is what characterizes us now, from corporate boardrooms to private bedrooms. If immigrants know only how to get here and do not learn what made America so attractive to them, they will live by their own standards, just as we who were born here are doing in increasing numbers, further undermining our strength and cohesiveness.

In his 1992 book, "The Tyranny of Change: America in the Progressive Era: 1890-1920," John Whiteclay Chambers wrote of the great immigration wave of a century ago, noting that a majority of arrivals in this country never intended to stay. Many hoped that "after a few years of work, they could save enough money to return home to an improved position for themselves and their families."

"Although the majority of new immigrants permanently settled in America, a significant number left (with a departure rate of 35 percent for Croatians, Poles, Serbs and Slovenes; 40 percent for Greeks; and more than 50 percent for Hungarians, Slovaks and Italians; the rate among Asian immigrants was much higher, more than two-thirds)," Chambers wrote. Today the departure rate is only about 15 percent and anyone who gets here, even illegally, can now expect his or relatives to legally follow.

Many of those who stayed a century ago had poor skills and became part of large ghettos in major urban areas, where poverty continues to drain human and financial resources. The 1990 Census indicated that ethnic enclaves were huge and growing. In the city of Miami today, about half of the population speaks English poorly or not at all, new census figures show, and 74 percent of residents speak a language other than English at home.

A source for additional facts about how we have failed to assimilate immigrants can be found on the Web page of the Federation for American Immigration Reform (www.fairus.org/).

It would help if we would re-discover what once was considered "self-evident" truths about America, disdaining relativity. If we can't do that for those already here, we will be of no use to current and future immigrants and cannot sustain ourselves as the United States.


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KEYWORDS: donutwatch; immigration
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To: ecomcon
Well, given your relatives, are you proud to be on the same side as Phillip Augustus?
121 posted on 08/16/2002 12:36:04 PM PDT by pittsburgh gop guy
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To: Phillip Augustus
Oh and according to the CIA http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/sp.html Spain is a parliamentary monarchy, they're economy is getting better but they still have Europes highest unemployment rate (14%), not exactly "successful".

As for Portugal http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/po.html parlimentary democracy (better), with a per capita GDP 2/3 of the main Euro nations. They need to work on their education system.
122 posted on 08/16/2002 12:37:15 PM PDT by discostu
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To: discostu
Actually, you will hard-pressed to find my complaints about the language. Again, it's culture and geography that are the issues.
123 posted on 08/16/2002 12:37:56 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: discostu
The above statistics place Spain and Portugal at the lower percentile of the First World, and still light years ahead of the Third world.
124 posted on 08/16/2002 12:38:53 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: Phillip Augustus
But it means Spain isn't a democracy, and neither is truly succesful (both were seriously messed up by Spain's multi-decade civil war/ revolution). Hopefully they'll be successful soon. But they aren't now.
125 posted on 08/16/2002 12:41:32 PM PDT by discostu
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To: Phillip Augustus
Geography. That's funny. So you don't like them because of where they are on the planet. Nope, no racism here.
126 posted on 08/16/2002 12:45:52 PM PDT by discostu
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
Can you say "conflation"? Argue your point, or concede. It's o.k. to be wrong occasionaly. Lord knows I've been there a few times.
127 posted on 08/16/2002 12:51:09 PM PDT by ecomcon
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To: discostu
Why would I welcome the destruction of our country, our culture, and our way of life?

As far as blacks go, Atlanta has always had a large black population. Blacks account for 29% of the metro population. However, what do blacks have to do with Mexicans? They're Americans, not illegals, speak English, and have American ancestories that go back at least one hundred and fifty years.

However, even with blacks being here for over a century, they predominately live in their sections of town, as whites live in their sections, etc., etc.. Again, this is the human condition that effects many people of which they wish and favor to live among people who look, think, and act like them. This is the same with whites, asians, "Hispanics", etc. This is why I have stated that immigration should be limited and that at least eighty percent should come from the countries of Europe, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. Doing so will help to eliminate the break-down in the social cohesion of the country. That is, it will force immigrants not of the dominant ethnic and cultural stock to assimilate, and it will help keep a sense of stability in the social affairs of the nation. As it now stands, social politics are a way of life when large numbers of different groups are intertwined. That is, people represent others as the group when they become large enough to have a following. They also get a great deal of attention.

Consider blacks and how social politics have played a large role in policy. Blacks vote 90% of the time for Democrats. Why? Social political strategy. The difference in politics between the white metro Atlanta population and the black metro Atlanta population are complete opposites.

In Dekalb county, a suburban area just east and northeast of the city of Atlanta, a Republican hasn't a chance to win an entirety of the county. Why? Well, in this county that is sixty percent black, a conservative candidate has a very small constituency. This is the county that has elected Cynthia McKinney, one of the most liberal democrats in all of the south.

However, in Cobb County, a suburban area in the northwest and western suburbs, a county with a black population of roughly eighteen percent, democrats aren't likely to win elections. This is the county that has brough us Bob Barr.

Compare Barr with McKinney. They're polar opposites.

Yet, I do believe that relations among black and white Americans have improved significantly, and that they're likely to improve a lot more in the future. The only problem I see is that with the influx of newcomers, social politics will grow, resulting in more competing groups and social interests. As a consequence, instead of solidifying relationships with the rest of the population, black "leaders" will likely continue to play their people against all others in the new "multicultural empire". As a result, the message of inclusiveness will be blurred out by the message of doing what's best for the black man. The same can be said of other groups as continued friction ensues. Again, this is why I think that it is best to support a policy of limited immigration, of which the vast majority are of the same ethnic and cultural stock. That is, it will help solidify immigration among those groups who may be less likely to assimilate in large numbers. Furthermore, relations among the lesser number of non-western newcomers will flourish and balkanized America can be averted. Why? With the rate of current immigration, along with the majority of "immigrants" coming from non-western countries, of whom are not of the dominant cultural stock, and given the human condition many have, it is not unlikely that there will be a break-down in the social cohesion of the country.

128 posted on 08/16/2002 12:53:30 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: FreedomFriend
Why will Mexicans automatically destroy our country culture and way of life? the answer is they won't. The answer is this is no different than any other immigration boom. The answer is you're a freaking racist. Admit it and I'll be able to at least respect you.
129 posted on 08/16/2002 12:55:59 PM PDT by discostu
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To: Phillip Augustus
It appears that way.
130 posted on 08/16/2002 12:58:08 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: discostu
No, it does NOT mean that Spain is not a democracy. I suppose England is not a democracy, either, I mean, there is a Queen.

And, yes, Spain and Portugal are both "successful" by most accepted standards. That's why they are officially, by the United Nations, labeled "First World".

131 posted on 08/16/2002 12:58:22 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: FreedomFriend
There's a lot of sense in what you have said. Why should the nations that share our borders supply the bulk of the immigrants, given that there are people all over the world that would like to emmigrate to the U.S.?
132 posted on 08/16/2002 1:00:39 PM PDT by ecomcon
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To: Phillip Augustus
In California, they have billboards touting, "Viva La Raza" for Spanish-music station advertisements.
133 posted on 08/16/2002 1:01:27 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: discostu
And, further, I don't "dislike" them at all. In fact, on a strictly personal level, I can't say I've ever met a Mexican I have personally disliked. But, in geographical terms, America's heritage is an extension of Europe, American immigration has ALWAYS until 1965 been predominantly European, and I see no reason why that had to change. That's where geography comes into play.
134 posted on 08/16/2002 1:02:55 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: discostu
You are a liar. Admit you're a liar and I'll at least respect you.

Does that really work for you?

135 posted on 08/16/2002 1:03:41 PM PDT by ecomcon
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To: pittsburgh gop guy
I'm not on the west coast, I live in the southeast. The Atlanta area if you want me to be specific enough.

I didn't say that the foreigners didn't have the skills, but I did say that many are of lesser skill than their American counterparts. It is these Americans who are being displaced by H1B high tech workers. It is these Americans who are out of work. It is these Americans who should have these jobs.

136 posted on 08/16/2002 1:04:42 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: Phillip Augustus
Spain is a monarchy, the English monarchy is jsut a symbol, the Spanish monarchy actually has power.

Spain and Portugal are labeled "first world" because they're in Europe.
137 posted on 08/16/2002 1:05:11 PM PDT by discostu
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To: Phillip Augustus
You don't dislike them. You just don't want them living in America.

That had to change because Europe finally stopped sucking and people stopped fleeing from it in droves. You want imigration to go back to mostly European? Get Europe involved in another war that will destroy their economy. Then they'll start fleeing in droves again.
138 posted on 08/16/2002 1:06:50 PM PDT by discostu
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To: ecomcon
But you see I haven't lied. Where as he continues to play the ancient racist saw "they're destroying our culture".

The funny part is that if you checkout the history of the immigration debate you'l find it's always they same. A bunch of people on one side saying "they're destroying our culture" and a bunch of people on the otherside side "don't be an idiot". So far the culture is doing fine.
139 posted on 08/16/2002 1:08:12 PM PDT by discostu
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To: ecomcon
My cousin married a Mexican immigrant, and they come over to my house often. I have nothing against any of them. My point is group-think, of which my cousin's teenage daughters have begun to think of themselves as only Mexicans. You can't get one them to even say that she's an American. She'll struggle and then say, "okay, Mexican-American". Furthermore, she listens to Spanish-language music. All this while never having lived in Mexico. The closest she has gotten is when she has visited her father's family in Mexico.
140 posted on 08/16/2002 1:09:34 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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