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Making colonies out of nation-states
Townhall.com ^ | August 15, 2002 | Paul Craig Roberts

Posted on 08/15/2002 8:59:01 AM PDT by Korth

Will Americans ever escape the gag of political correctness? Probably not, but the English are making a last ditch effort. On Aug. 7, the London Times published an article by one of its editors titled, "Britain is Losing Britain"

Third World immigration, hitherto an unmentionable subject, is quadrupling the rate of Britain's population growth and creating a new city of immigrants the size of Cambridge every six months.

Immigration, the Times says, is transforming Britain into "a foreign land." British society is being utterly transformed "against the wishes of the majority of the population, damaging quality of life and social cohesion, exacerbating the housing crisis and congestion," and burdening the health service to the breaking point.

Finding the situation "so extreme and so damaging," the Times editor writes that "silence is no longer an option." Britain is literally disappearing. In many British cities, "you can wander around for hours without seeing a white face, one monoculture having replaced another." Yet, "immigration celebrationists" continue "to brainwash the British public into thinking that it is all for their own good. But almost every reason given to support this immigration is bogus."

"In the past five years," the Times says, "while the white population grew by 1 percent, the Bangladeshi community grew by 30 percent, the black African population by 37 percent and the Pakistani community by 13 percent. ... Whole villages in Bangladesh have been transplanted to northern English towns."

The British political order has broken down. Polls show that without question, "the large majority of British people -- including around half of ethnic minorities -- think there is too much immigration." But public opinion is powerless: "No mainstream political party dare reflect public opinion." British politicians cower before the immigration lobby and fear being called racist, Nazi or xenophobic.

Name-calling aside, the Times says that massive immigration without assimilation leads to social fragmentation. More non-Britons wish to live in Britain than are consistent with the existence of Britain. "The people of Britain have a right to decide who can move here."

The Times assertion that the people of Britain -- and not the immigration lobby -- have the right to decide immigration policy is heresy to multiculturalists. But the very next day (before anyone could burn the heretic), the Daily Mail, Britain's largest circulation newspaper, reprinted the Times article. Thus, debate has begun before hysterical "immigration celebrationists" can shout it down.

Sir Andrew Green, a career British diplomat, together with Oxford University demographer David Coleman, has formed a new organization, Migration Watch UK. These developments are shifting the burden of argument. Now immigration enthusiasts are on the hot seat. They must explain why they aren't racists for wishing to destroy Britain with massive Third World immigration.

Americans are losing their country, too, but Americans are not allowed to say so. Third World immigration to the United States is higher than to Britain. One in five of the U.S. population was born abroad or born of parents who were born abroad. This is a massive change from 1970, when new immigrants counted for only one in 20 U.S. births.

While the British worry about losing cities to Third World immigrants, the United States is losing entire states. Assimilation has broken down. In its place, Americans now endure Third World enclaves or colonies.

As the United States becomes a polyglot, how can it have any foreign policy? How much longer will the United States be able to conduct a pro-Israeli foreign policy and plan invasions of Middle Eastern countries?

The outlines of U.S. domestic policy in the New Immigrationist State (NIS) are already apparent. The tax burdens on native-born whites will rise to meet the needs of the poor immigrants. The burden of the federal personal income tax rests on a narrow base of 35 million taxpayers who are, in effect, slaves of the state. The colonization of these taxpayers will intensify, as millions of needy new immigrants enter the United States each year.

The United States, like Britain, faces extinction as a nation-state. Both countries are becoming colonies for a plethora of Third World cultures.

As one Briton put it, "We resisted Hitler in order to become a colony for Africa, Asia and the Middle East." The United States has done the British one better. We have become the world's colony.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: assimilation; britain; donutwatch; federalgovernment; freedom; immigration; liberty
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To: FreedomFriend; junta
I am not anti-immigration, as such; to me, it is not a question of immigration, but, rather, the geographical locations from where we recieve the immigration. Repeal the 1965 Immigration Act and my views on immigration will change dramatically. Time to start re-prioritizing European immigration.

And, mind you, I am not mimicking the Know-Nothings. I am just as happy with Eastern and Southern European immigration as I am with Western European immigration.

61 posted on 08/15/2002 7:22:27 PM PDT by Phillip Augustus
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To: FreedomFriend
"The only people who seem to like it [Third World immigration] are the ruling elites, as it makes it much easier to form a world government in the future....At the rate we're going, America may not last another twenty years. Demographics may prohibit it"

Excellent post...

It's clear the Republic by that juncture will cease being the America we used to know -- It's not hard to do the math...

Already California, Massachusetts, and New York have been transformed into slam-dunk Democratic electorates, while the change in demographics in the states of Florida, Texas, Arizona, New Mexico and New Jersey will also render these states political killing field for any GOP challenger. Of course the Democrats love Third World immigration, both legal AND illegal -- in other words yet another constituency dependent on free federal services and economic relief, while swearing no allegiance.

Either this administration defies the Left and pulls the plug on rampant Third World immigration soon, while bolstering American sovereinty and heritage or another civil war is a distinct possibility.

62 posted on 08/15/2002 7:58:10 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: F16Fighter
History doesn't move in straight lines, and I see some dark storm clouds out ahead of us. A CW2 is a distinct possibility.
63 posted on 08/15/2002 8:01:31 PM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: FreedomFriend
Let me ask you something? Why do you support the invasion of America? Why do you support the complete disregard for the sovereignty of the United States? Why, after the extreme costs ensued to Americans as a result of illegal immigration, do you support this? Lastly, after the effects of illegal immigration are visibly seen, why do you hold such views?

Please answer all of the above questions.

Sure. That's easy. I'm not married, so I haven't been beating my wife at all.

64 posted on 08/15/2002 8:02:33 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: junta
Really? How many billions do we admit?

Like I said, we should have visa quotas that are keyed to the labor market. We admit as many as can find and keep work. We should make citizenship available to as many of these as are willing to undergo a process of education and indoctrination that is sufficiently challenging to vouchafy their strong commitment to our country.

65 posted on 08/15/2002 8:06:51 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Stultis
consume food stamps rather than contribute withholding taxes.

The only hole in this little gem is the fact that almost all illegals are recieving their pay under the table...you know "off the books" hence no income tax, social security or anything else. Sales tax is about it. That won't buy all that is consumed. This is one of the most often forgotten realities when our politicians and media support these "hard working people."

66 posted on 08/15/2002 8:07:57 PM PDT by amstaff1
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To: Stultis
Educated Response. It figures coming from a liberal.
67 posted on 08/15/2002 8:20:27 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: FreedomFriend
Oh, the American Indians were in much smaller numbers than compared to today's American citizens.

Not in RATIO to the newcomers. They were not a monolithic society, either. Many tribes fought among themselves. (Golly, does THIS sound familiar?)


What happens when the DISEASES from 3 world countries start to take hold?

West Nile WhaT?


68 posted on 08/15/2002 8:22:59 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: FreedomFriend
Educated Response. It figures coming from a liberal.

Assuming liberals understand logical fallacy better than conservatives. Figures, coming from a troll.

69 posted on 08/15/2002 8:24:56 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: amstaff1
The only hole in this little gem is the fact that almost all illegals are recieving their pay under the table...you know "off the books" hence no income tax, social security or anything else. Sales tax is about it. That won't buy all that is consumed. This is one of the most often forgotten realities when our politicians and media support these "hard working people."
This merely shows a problem with TAXATION, not illegal immigration.

If this were NOT a Socialized country now, this would be no problem. When 'The Goverment' starts paying for services, with the money they took from you and me by force, for someone else to use....... well.


"When you rob Peter to pay Paul, you can ALWAYS count on Paul's support."
70 posted on 08/15/2002 8:28:43 PM PDT by Elsie
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To: F16Fighter
Thanks for the compliment.

I've had it with political correctness, I can't take it anymore.

It's sad that people can't state the obvious, but instead have to spout out the same tired, worn-out, out-dated cliches that have little significance to today. Often if they do try to speak out, they always try to do it through a round-about way, muttling some of the message when, in actuality, all they have to do is state the obvious facts, giving the meat and potatoes of the argument, and not backing away.

Doesn't it get old hearing the same old, "We reach out to all people seeking "freedom"". What exactly is "Freedom". Is it large chunks of your paycheck being forcefully stolen from the government. Is it the Patriot Act? Is it having your cities turned into third world barrios? Is it not being able to speak your mind for fear of being politically incorrect, a communist mind control element. Is it tolerating the destruction of the moral structure of the country, for individuals should be free to display their overtly sexual and linguistic themes if they so choose? After all, it's a free country right? Is it having to tolerate the elimination of America's Christian tradition from public life and all aspects of society. Yeah, that's freedom, only for those who wish to tear down our country.

All this eastern, middle eastern and tribal African garb is too much. In fact, many school textbooks blatantly lie about American history, claiming that America has always been a multicultural country with no dominant culture. This, all the while showing children's pictures from around the world with their cultural clothing and exclaim that this is how America has always been. Anything from turbins to sombreros to other traditional garb is what is displayed. If I'm not mistaken, weren't individuals from most of these countries not allowed to emigrate until the 1960s. Thus, what's with all this talk of having always been here?

It's time that realistic talks were begun on the subject. No, there shouldn't be any debate, for it's a vastly cut and dry issue. There needs to be a TEN year immigration moratorium, perhaps more. H1B Visas need to be discontinued, unless otherwise noted. Student visa numbers need to be vastly lowered. Work visas need to be vastly lowered. Immigration, after the moratorium ends, must be kept to 75,000-100,000 per year, and 80% of it must come from Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Canada to allow for any type of social cohesion.

Other things that need to be done. Repeal the Anchor Baby Amendment. Increase the Border Patrol many times. Enforce laws that prohibit the hiring of illegals. Discontinue welfare to illegals in nearly every form and fashion, and deport them if they are known to be illegally here.

I can't believe the spinelessness.

71 posted on 08/15/2002 8:39:06 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: Stultis
"Stultis", of course, means "fool" in Latin.
72 posted on 08/15/2002 8:43:41 PM PDT by Pelham
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bump
73 posted on 08/15/2002 9:41:13 PM PDT by FreedomFriend
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To: Elsie
"(American Indian bump!)"

Hi Elsie! Interesting read. I know you'll like it.
http://www.americanpatrol.com/LETTERS/AntiReconLTR_OCR_020812.html
74 posted on 08/15/2002 10:13:21 PM PDT by 4America
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To: Pelham
"Stultis", of course, means "fool" in Latin.

Yep. I started using the handle when I was young and foolish, back in the dial-up computer bulletin board days, back before Ronnie Reagan and Maggie Thatcher got me thinkin' straight. (Although I've always been a Republican, and even though Momma let me into the booth with her to pull the lever for Goldwater, there was a period later in my youth when I used to run with the RINOs.)

75 posted on 08/15/2002 11:37:37 PM PDT by Stultis
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To: Elsie
Oh heck! This is nothing new......Doncha remember back in the 1700's, when all these Europeans started flooding onto this continent, buying, stealing, pushing, fooling the then existant peoples out of the land upon which their ancestors had lived for centuries? So, sit back and watch it happen again folks - payback is here!

The situation back in the 1700's was so different in so many ways from the situation today that I find it very difficult to draw a parallel between the two. The American Indians had very few options in dealing with the influx of European-Americans onto Indian lands, whereas Americans today have several options available in dealing with mass immigration, including even revolution as a last resort.

76 posted on 08/16/2002 12:02:59 AM PDT by usadave
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To: jpsb
Conservatives, neocons that is, have a problem, it is called free trade. Since they believe in free trade they are forced to also favor open borders

The neocons favor government managed trade and call it "free trade". There's really nothing free about it. Open borders are necessary for the undermining of national sovereignty. The neocons aren't conservative at all. They're simply using the term to mask the fact that they're as dedicated to the ideal of a single government for the entire world as are the democrats, though they think there'll be a different outcome for establishing a world government than the one the communists in the UN are spouting.

forget the GOP, they are free trade/open border all the way.

What the neocon contingent of the GOP is all about is government managed trade (mercantilism) and free flow of illiterate peons from 3rd world countries to provide the demographic for abolishing the form of government laid out in our Constitution. There's little enough difference between their ideal and that of the democrats in the final result as to make it proper to call them one and the same.

77 posted on 08/16/2002 5:57:18 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: Stultis
When jobs are not available he heads back to Mexico where he can live cheaply

When have their numbers dropped? They aren't dropping now with the jobless rate being higher ---in fact they're still coming over in huge numbers. You can't leave out all the many welfare and other government programs as part of their planning. One baby born in the US brings them free housing, welfare check, WIC, food stamps, free day care at Head Start, and of course they don't have to pay a dime to get this baby.

78 posted on 08/16/2002 6:20:10 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Stultis
Not that facts matter to the hysterical anti-immigrant paleo-conservatives, or their friends in the big labor left.

And what facts should matter more than the obvious fact observable nearly anywhere in the US today: a massive influx of illegals who will not assimilate and are the opposite of the educated legal immigrants you're swooning over.

In case you haven't noticed, the group flooding our country and changing the demographics comes across our border with Mexico, uncontrolled, uncounted and uninvited. Address that problem and drop the posturing over the legal immigrants which you imagine refutes the contention that immigration is out of control. You haven't made a point, you've simply diverted the subject.

79 posted on 08/16/2002 6:25:54 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: Stultis
Legal immigrants are often worse than the illegals because they can qualify for more government hand-out programs. You forget that the average level of education for most of the latest immigrants is third grade (foreign besides), they speak no English nor do they wish to. The US has a limit of how many very low-skilled jobs that are available ---when they lose these jobs they don't go back to Mexico because the handouts here are more appealing.

Then when amnesty is made, they no longer qualify for the low-paying illegal jobs, more illegals must be imported for those jobs since the now legal amnestied can't legally work for less than minimum wage. Amnesty doesn't provide the work skill or language skills needed to compete in this country so they require government programs to stay here.
80 posted on 08/16/2002 6:27:12 AM PDT by FITZ
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