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Hot, dry weather concerns Oregon firefighters
Oregon Live/ AP ^ | 12 August 2002 | Oregon Live/ AP

Posted on 08/12/2002 7:47:31 AM PDT by Grampa Dave

Hot, dry weather concerns Oregon firefighters

The Associated Press 8/12/02 10:28 AM

Firefighters battling the giant lightning-caused Biscuit fire in southern Oregon and northern California watched nervously Monday as hot, dry and windy conditions moved into the fire zone.

A new fire, this one human caused, sprang up Sunday in eastern Oregon.

"This one has potential. If we don't catch it today, it's going to be a biggie," said David Widmark, spokesman for the Northwest Interagency Coordination Center in Portland.

The new fire, named the Bald Green Butte fire, was burning on 100 acres near a Ponderosa forest and rugged terrain about 17 miles northwest of Burns.

Meanwhile, Oregon's largest wildfire in more than a century continued to threaten power lines feeding several northern California towns Monday.

The Biscuit fire had burned 376,492 acres by Monday morning. A force of 6,100 firefighters were divided into three separate units battling different areas of the fire.

Formerly called the Florence Fire, the Biscuit fire covers about 460 square miles in the two states. Full containment for the portion of the fire south of the California border was expected by Thursday. The rest of the fire is only about 25 percent contained.

Over the weekend, hand crews created three or four fire lines in front of the advancing flames west of O'Brien, but said they would have to ask Pacific Power to shut down the power lines if the wildfire got too close.

When carbon-rich smoke thickens around the cables, it can cause the electricity from the lines to arc, endangering firefighters. Turning off the power would put the California towns of Gasquet, Hiouchi and Crescent City in the dark, said Leah Rosin, an Oregon Department of Forestry spokeswoman.

Widmark said 15-20 mph east winds, temperature of 100 degrees or higher and single-digit humidity levels were expected to hamper firefighters' ability to contain the Biscuit fire and other fires burning in the state.

The Tiller complex of fires burning east of Roseburg totaled 42,490 acres Monday. That fire was about 35 percent contained, Widmark said. Rolling rocks and snags threatened fire crews because of the steep terrain, he said.

"There are really concerned with the safety of crews on that one," Widmark said.

The Hemlock fire near Oakridge, east of Eugene, had burned 136 acres by Monday; it was 60 percent contained and continued to threaten the communities of Oakridge and Westfir.

There was some damage over the weekend to Bonneville Power Administration power poles in the area, but no interruption in electricity service, Widmark said.

In Curry County, a pre-evacuation notice posted Friday was still in effect. The notice was issued to make sure residents were ready to leave immediately if the fire moved closer to a few dozen homes scattered along river canyons near the ocean in the southwest corner of Oregon.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Oregon
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To: blackie
How scary.

Hopefully, you have some good fire lanes around your house.

However, when the wind is blowing burning embers like in this situation, you can't have a wide enough fire lane.

Have the enviral tree hugging whackos in your area prevented blackberry bush/brush control?

30 years ago we lived in Marin County out west on Lucas Valley. We had a cedar/shake shingle roof. Our developement ran along Lucas Valley Road running east to west. Natural grass courtesy of the whaco's then surrounded the development.

I mounted two rain birds sprinkers, one on each side of my house and ran a hose down to a spigot on each side. I ran the sprinklers about 5 minutes each morning and each afternoon to soak the shingles. Then I showed my sons how to turn them as well as my wife if a fire started around them.

Most neighbors copied them, however, one day I heard our dog barking. I went out and she had one of the Marin Enviral Whacko neighbors against our fence with a hammer and ladder. He had intended to climb up and take down my Rain Birds. He didn't like what they did to the ambiance of the neighborhood.

I asked him to leave and he gestured at me with the hammer. A second later his head was bleeding all over my fence and his clymer had hurt my toes. He laid there moaning until the cops came out and advised him to leave and put an injunction against him coming within 100 yards of my house. I told him that if he came back in my yard, I would have the dog rip his balls off. Then I would really get mean.

Now the forestry service is putting Rain Birds on roofs all around the fires in Oregon.

Stay safe.
41 posted on 08/12/2002 2:02:08 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: blackie
Why are they having such a problem controlling the Hemlock fire. It appears to be a relative small fire.

Are the envirals getting in the way or is that area that hard to get to and into to fight a fire?
42 posted on 08/12/2002 2:18:06 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: All
Not a great NOAA shot. However, this picture was taken at 6:39 pm on 11 August, yesterday evening. The red spots on the Biscuit fire show a whole lot still burning.

That was before the heat of today and winds and even worse coming tomorrow.


43 posted on 08/12/2002 2:28:20 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
I live in a tract type house about two blocks from the unimproved area. I do have five white oak and two maple trees in the back yard.
Also two small fir trees, numerous rhododendrons, azaleas, dogwoods, red bonzi lacy leaf maple, roses and various other plants and bushes, in both back and front yards.

Plus two palm trees in the front yard...

I almost forgot the five oriental plum trees between the sidewalk and street on the east(we have a corner lot) side of the property.
44 posted on 08/12/2002 2:34:38 PM PDT by blackie
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To: Grampa Dave
It might be the terrain...I don't really know...maybe I should watch the local news... :o)
45 posted on 08/12/2002 2:38:38 PM PDT by blackie
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To: All
The weather forecast for Grants Pass for this week: (Grant's Pass Weather Forecast)

This is not good for the fire fighters.

46 posted on 08/12/2002 2:40:45 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: blackie
All but the palm trees should be a reasonable green fire break. What are you doing with Palm Trees in Oregon? An old Kali hangover?
47 posted on 08/12/2002 2:42:05 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: blackie; Grampa Dave
My participation here will be hit and miss; I'm building a new deck in the back yard and work on it when it isn't too hot.

I like it better in the air conditioned house... :o)
48 posted on 08/12/2002 2:43:08 PM PDT by blackie
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To: Grampa Dave
All of the trees, etc, were here when we purchased the place in '90...palm trees are rare in Oregon... :o)
49 posted on 08/12/2002 2:45:48 PM PDT by blackie
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To: Grampa Dave
Weather forecast for Coastal Curry County: (Coastal Curry County Weather Forecast)
50 posted on 08/12/2002 2:47:16 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave; All
Hi, Gramps! It's been a busy day. I just stopped in to read the thread and give it a good bumping.
My thanks to you and everyone here that have posted updates.

BTTT!

51 posted on 08/12/2002 5:46:22 PM PDT by dixiechick2000
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To: Grampa Dave
New website:

http://www.biscuitfire.com
52 posted on 08/12/2002 6:05:28 PM PDT by Granof8
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To: Grampa Dave; Prodigal Daughter; Thinkin' Gal; Jeremiah Jr; babylonian; Fred Mertz; ...
>This is the latest map of the former Kalmiopsis Wilderness Area Green Enviral Blaze. Remember the green that used be around the previous maps that showed there was still some Wilderness area not burnt. Well as of 9 Aug, as per this map, it has been burnt or is burning.

The land is defiled!
Jer 2:7 And I brought you into a plentiful country, to eat the fruit thereof and the goodness thereof; but when ye entered, ye defiled my land, and made mine heritage an abomination.
On the names of the fires ~~  25Oregon Fire Largest in State's History

America, the Mystery, the Babylon and the significance of the Millstone ~~   53 

America, courting disaster, allowing a harvest of innocents, putting babies in a blender  ~~  27

The land is defiled! ~~  23

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Gruesome pictures

53 posted on 08/12/2002 6:29:31 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: Grampa Dave
Firefighters Face Hot Temps and Dry Wind

08/12/2002

By AP and KGW Staff

Firefighters trying to protect remote communities from the massive Biscuit Fire faced explosive conditions as temperatures climbed to 100 degrees with dry east winds on Monday.

"This week is an important week for the fire," said Susan Mathison, a Forest Service spokeswoman. "High temperatures, single-digit humidities, strong east winds -- all those contribute to an expectation of increased fire activity."

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Flames shoot into the air from the Biscuit fire near Agnes, Ore. (AP Photo)
Firefighters battling the massive Biscuit Fire got a line Monday around a spot fire that threatened a major power line serving northern California as temperatures climbed to 100 degrees with dry east winds.

"I don't think we'll have any reason to turn the power off and cause any problems down in Crescent City (Calif.)," said U.S. Forest Service spokesman Mike Ferris.

The spot fire had slopped over the main containment line on the southeastern flank near O'Brien, coming within a half-mile of two transmission lines serving 14,800 customers in Del Norte County, Calif., said Monte Mendenhall, regional community manager of Pacific Power.

Meanwhile, on the northeast flank of the fire, strong dry winds forced crews to withdraw from trying to light off a burnout operation to strengthen containment lines between Bear Camp Road and Indigo Prairie, Ferris said.

The fire, Oregon's largest in more than a century, stood at 376,492 acres on the Siskiyou National Forest and adjoining lands in southwestern Oregon and northern California. It started July 13 from lightning that struck in the remote Kalmiopsis Wilderness.

wildfire resources
Fire Maps
Oregon Fire Info.
Washington Fire Info.

In other developments:

Hiker Missing

The Biscuit fire has prevented a search for a Grants Pass man who was last seen a month ago as he hiked into the Kalmiopsis Wilderness.

Two days after 32-year-old Michael Woods set out on a three-week backpacking trip, lightning sparked the 376,492-acre Biscuit Fire. The blaze has been burning since July 13 and covers an area nearly half the size of Rhode Island.

"With the fire activity, hopefully he was able to find some shelter -- a creek, river drainage, an abandoned mine," said Lt. Brian Anderson of the Josephine County Sheriff's Office.

Scout Camp to Rebuild

Boy Scout officials say they consider the damage done by the fire as an opportunity to make improvements at McCaleb Ranch, a historic camp damaged two weeks ago.

The wildfire reached the ranch on July 26 and destroyed most of the camp's buildings. The fire, however, didn't touch a footbridge and low-water bridge that cross the Illinois River, so the scouts still have access to the site.

"I think we'll use this as a means to improve the facility," said Pat Fahey, Troop 23 Scoutmaster. "We've been wanting to do stuff for years. This might spur us to get something done."

To fight the fire, authorities have deployed a force of 6,100 firefighters and support staff in four separate units based in Gold Beach, Selma, Brookings and Crescent City, Calif.

The fire was formerly known as the Florence Fire. Full containment for the southern flank in California was expected by Thursday. The whole fire was 25 percent contained.

"The fire isn't spreading that much," said Ferris. "It's creeping against the wind along the ridges and down the slopes, then running up the other side."

Latest on Evacuations

On the northern flank, Ferris said the threat was reduced to the community of Agness, home to about 150 people and a center of whitewater rafting on the Rogue River. A fire retardant plant was installed to supply helicopters fighting the fire.

The two-week-old evacuation alert for the 17,000 of the Illinois Valley was further eased from 8 hours to 12 hours notice. That means people should be ready to leave within 12 hours of an alert.

On the western flank, the fire crept within about four miles of the Wilderness Retreat subdivision, where all but a few of the some 40 residents have heeded a voluntary evacuation notice, Mathison said.

New Fire Sparked in Eastern Oregon

Meanwhile, a new fire erupted Sunday in eastern Oregon, about 17 miles northwest of Burns. Officials said the fire was caused by human activity.

"This one has potential. If we don't catch it today, it's going to be a biggie," said David Widmark, spokesman for the Northwest Interagency Coordination Center in Portland.

The new fire, named the Bald Green Butte fire, was burning on 100 acres near a Ponderosa pine forest and rugged terrain.

Major fires burning around Oregon on Monday included:

BISCUIT FIRE (formerly called Florence Fire; name changed on 8/11/02)

Started: Florence fire started 26 miles west of Grant Pass, 07/13/02; Sour Biscuit started 17 miles southwest of Cave Junction.

Size: 376,492 acres.

Containment: 25 percent.

Evacuations: The entire Illinois Valley on 12-hour notice to evacuate. Agness, on northwest corner of the fire, is on 24-hour evacuation notice.

Damage: 4 residences and 8 outbuildings.

On scene: 6,132 firefighters.

Cause: Lightning.

TILLER COMPLEX

Started: Outside Tiller, east of Canyonville off Interstate 5, 07/12/02.

Size: 42,490 acres.

Containment: 36 percent.

Evacuations: South Umpqua Road closed at milepost 6. Fifteen residences threatened. Tribal ceremonial grounds and critical cultural resources are threatened.

Damage: No listed damage.

On scene: 1,917 firefighters

Cause: Lightning.

MONUMENT-MALHEUR COMPLEX (Monument and Malheur fires merged under one management team, 8/11/02)

Started: 9 miles southwest of Unity, 07/12/02

Size: 40,605 acres

Containment: 95 percent.

Evacuations: None at this time.

Damage: None.

On Scene: 546 firefighters.

Cause: Lightning.

HEMLOCK FIRE

Started: 1/2 mile north of Westfir

Size: 136 acres

Containment: 60 percent.

Evacuations: None at this time.

Damage: None.

On Scene: 511 firefighters.

Cause: Under investigation.

BALD GREEN BUTTE

Started: 17 miles east of Burns, 8/11/02

Size: 100 acres.

Containment: Zero.

Evacuations: None.

Damage: None.

On Scene: 64 firefighters.

Cause: Human caused, underinvestigation.

(Copyright 2002 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

54 posted on 08/12/2002 7:37:25 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Grampa Dave
Oops. #54 was from kgw.com
55 posted on 08/12/2002 7:43:24 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Grampa Dave
I think the envirals managed to "protect" this area to its death: http://www.siskiyou.org/ and http://www.siskiyou.org/images/biscuit.jpg

The Klamath-Siskiyou Bioregion is ten million acres of rugged, mountainous country in northwest California and southwest Oregon. In 1992, the International Union for the Conservation of Nature recognized the Klamath-Siskiyou as one of seven areas of global botanical significance in North America. Recently, the World Wildlife Fund identified the Klamath-Siskiyou as one of the most diverse conifer forests in the world.

In this region are found:

* The most productive wild salmon and steelhead fisheries outside of Alaska
* The largest concentration of Wild & Scenic rivers in the nation
* The largest acreage of unprotected wild forest remaining on the West Coast
* 3,500 plant species (280 are rare or endemic)
* The Redrock Rainforest, a unique ecology based on the world's largest expanse of exposed serpentine rock.

Because of its biological diversity and unique evolutionary history, the World Wildlife Fund refers to the Klamath- Siskiyou as the "Galapagos of North America."
56 posted on 08/13/2002 1:41:15 AM PDT by marsh2
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To: 2sheep
perhaps satellite videophotography, they can rewind them and zoom in just about anywhere.
57 posted on 08/13/2002 4:01:06 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: 2sheep
Gimmie a break, I dont mind 90% of your bumps, but this is really taking it to far. Please only bump me articles relating to Russia and its Allies or 9/11/01. Thank you.
58 posted on 08/13/2002 5:09:08 PM PDT by Orion78
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